Well Jeff...since your asking. I vote to leave it the way it is. The way
it is...is why I joined it.
Dan/W4NTI
> [Original Message]
> From: <ku8e@bellsouth.net>
> To: <secc@contesting.com>
> Date: 9/3/04 9:30:32 AM
> Subject: Re: A long post about the SECC...was: Re: [SECC]
>
>
> No disrespect for W4AN, but I don't know if I really personally care for
the "internet only club idea" anyway. Only reason I joined SECC is that it
was the only club down here interested in contesting. Maybe we need to "re
think" this whole concept ?? Is there an interest in changing ??
>
> I am not proposing that we have formal meetings, meeting requirements or
even
> a demand that you operate so many contests or you will be kicked out of
the club. AA4GA is right in commenting that the formal processes we do have
in place are only there to meet ARRL requirements.
>
> What I am proposing is that are membership maybe think about having
activities that promote camaraderie in the club. This could include
rallying around a specific contest and set a goal to win the club
competition or have a social event such as a club FD and picnic, social
meeting etc.... And number one is
> to get on an OPERATE and submit your score for SECC. Lee says this is an
"OPERATING club" but lately there has been a lack of that as well.
>
> Also, I disagree with AA4GA's comment that we could never be like
MRRC,SMC, etc...Those clubs have a membership that it spread out as well.
Look at SMC. They have members from MN,IA and as far east as IN. If you
look at our roster the core of our membership is in GA, especially around
the Atlanta area. We also have about 7 members in SC , 17 in AL, of which
not all are active.
>
>
> Maybe my comments are out of line being on of the new people on the block
down here as far as contesting... My idea of having a club is to promote
> camaraderie about contesting and socialize with people who have the same
interest. If everyone just wants to stay at the Status Quo and leave it the
way it is that's fine... But I will probably not be part of it...
>
> 73, Jeff
>
> >
> > From: "Lee Hiers" <aa4ga@contesting.com>
> > Date: 2004/09/02 Thu PM 08:20:09 EDT
> > To: <secc@contesting.com>
> > Subject: A long post about the SECC...was: Re: [SECC]
> >
> > On 2 Sep 2004 at 16:54, Jay Pryor wrote:
> >
> > > I agree wholeheartedly that the club would benefit from face-to-face
> > > meetings and exchanges of ideas. However, it was because of the every
day
> > > demands on many of us, including KU8E and others, that the club was
> > > established by W4AN (who disliked meetings) to interact with one
another
> > > via the internet. Read "About Us" on the SECC web site, crafted by
K2UFT.
> >
> > That comes as close to anything to describing the character of the
> > club as I've seen written down for posterity.
> >
> > I remember discussing it with W4AN and W4WA before we ever started
> > the club. None of us were interested in any of the political BS that
> > comes with most clubs. None of us wanted regular meetings at all.
> > The whole thing was designed to take place right here on the
> > reflector. The reflector was considered to be a continuous virtual
> > meeting.
> >
> > You've got a question or need some help, ask here on the reflector.
> > Contest coming up and we need some ra-ra...do it here on the
> > reflector. You're gonna be in Huntsville for a couple days and want
> > to get together and go out for a beer with some other SECCers - talk
> > it up on the reflector.
> >
> > The sole reason for starting a club was to have a regional
> > organization for which we could report scores in club competition.
> > Why? Because the only other alternative would be something like the
> > Valdosta RC, where there might be one or two or zero people
> > interested in contests.
> >
> > This area of the country has never had anything like PVRC, FRC, MRRC,
> > etc. - and never will - because there just aren't that many serious
> > contesters located in a dense area that would support that.
> >
> > Years ago, when NQ4I moved down here, he found out there wasn't a
> > contest club. The closest thing was the SEDXC, and there weren't a
> > lot of folks interested in contesting there really. I remember going
> > to an SEDXC meeting and when asked what I wanted to get out of the
> > club replying that I was a contestor and mostly interested in that
> > aspect of radio, and was looking for a place to report my
> > scores...well, I was cold-shouldered the rest of the night, and for
> > most of the several years I was a member of that club. I enjoyed
> > going to the club meetings when I was able and had some good friends
> > that were members of that club...most of whom were contesters to one
> > degree or another: N4RJ, N4NX, etc.
> >
> > Anyway, when Rick moved to GA, he realized that the SEDXC wasn't
> > going to cut it as a contest club (I think his experience may have
> > been a bit more intense than mine) so, he started the Dixie DXers - a
> > contest club. I have never seen anyone put as much energy in trying
> > to get a contest club going as Rick did. He came from the FRC, and
> > was super gung-ho about it. It lasted for a few years, but
> > ultimately failed, I believe partially because Rick was really the
> > only one pushing that club, but mostly because there just isn't a
> > high enough density of contesters in the area to support a
> > "traditional" club.
> >
> > But the ONLY activity that the SECC was designed for was score
> > reporting - no GQP, no sponsoring of plaques, no treasury, no social
> > activities - nothing. Like John said - it is an OPERATING club.
> > The only reason there were any in-person meetings at all was to
> > satisfy the ARRL requirement at the time of two meetings per year.
> > And to reduce that burden even further, we decided that at each
> > gathering of members to hold two meetings. One meeting would be
> > called to order and with very little discussion the meeting would be
> > adjourned and a second meeting called to order, and it too would be
> > quickly adjourned with little discussion. Under the ideal
> > circumstances, both meetings would be over and done in about two
> > minutes. And the ARRL requirements for everyone in attendance were
> > satisfied.
> >
> > If you couldn't make the Atlanta Hamfest, but were going to be at the
> > Huntsville Hamfest, any two members could call a meeting, and with
> > the two meetings in one procedure, whoever was in attendance had
> > their ARRL requirements for attendance satisfied.
> > Whambamthankyoumaam.
> >
> > Of course usually folks would hang out and talk about contesting and
> > life and generally socialize before and after the official meetings,
> > but they weren't officially part of the club activities, and the
> > meetings weren't regularly scheduled.
> >
> > Now that the ARRL no longer has a 2-meetings per year requirement,
> > there is no need for the SECC to have ANY in-person official meetings
> > AT ALL.
> >
> > The only requirement for membership should be the submission of a
> > minimum of two scores per year in a contest with a club competition -
> > and I'm not sure we should really have that, although theoretically
> > it should increase the aggregate scores somewhat, so we decided to
> > implement that at the beginning. There should be no geographic
> > requirements for membership, although the club is designed to
> > primarily include folks from TN, NC, AL, GA, and SC. Geographically,
> > the only restrictions should be those imposed for specific contests
> > by their sponsors. And to accommodate those contests, we selected a
> > geographical center of the club.
> >
> > K4SB is a stickler on the by-laws (and this isn't an attack Ed!), but
> > the honest truth of the matter is that the ONLY reason there are any
> > written by-laws at all is because the ARRL required us to submit them
> > when we applied for affiliated club status.
> >
> > I'm going to comment some on these quotes below:
> >
> > > > > From: "Tommy" <aldermant@alltel.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > After coming back to south Georgia last year from the Washington,
DC area
> > > > > and the PVRC, the Valdosta ARC is a true joke. The SECC, as Jeff
mentions,
> > > > > has a very small core of active members and there seems to not
be much
> > > > > effort in stimulating more activity. SECC officers seem to only
speak up
> > > > > when someone tend's to 'rock the boat'! Is there any leadership?
> >
> > > > > If it were not for John, Jeff, and just a few others, the SECC
would rank
> > > > > right up there with the VARC! I listened to the 75m SSB two
times, and
> > > > > that was all I could take of what ever that is called...anyway
it's pretty
> > > > > pathetic. So the question is, is the SECC a southeast contest
club or is it
> > > > > just a social club for old foggies?
> > > > > I will still contest, simply because I enjoy it, but why post
scores
> > > > for the
> > > > > SECC when there certainly is little interest, except maybe north
of Macon?
> >
> > > > > From: <ku8e@bellsouth.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have to admit I am very disappointed with my experience with
SECC so
> > > > > far, since I have moved here from Ohio. I have made a few new
contesting
> > > > > friends but that's about it. I miss the social events (meetings)
that were
> > > > > part of belonging to the Mad River Radio club.
> >
> > I respectfully submit that neither of you guys "get it". I don't
> > mean that in a negative way. It's just that the SECC is not a
> > traditional club and it seems as if your expectations are attuned to
> > what happens in a traditional club.
> >
> > It seems that messages like this - that explain the club's philosophy
> > and history - get posted once a year or so, as needed...because, as
> > simple as the concept is, many new folks *don't* get it. I think
> > such posts are more necessary than they used to be primarily because
> > fewer and fewer of the original guys are around any more.
> >
> > More from Jeff:
> >
> > > > > > I have actually become kind of apathic toward expending my
energy
> > > > > torwards doing things such as updating the web page
> >
> > The only reason we have a web page is to point people to the club.
> > The only thing that should really require much in the way of updating
> > is the membership list.
> >
> > > > > or even doing a FT
> > > > > effort in a contest and submitting my score for SECC. I have a
limited
> > > > > amount of time , for radio, because I have a young family I am
raising. Why
> > > > > waste my time if no one even cares.
> >
> > Well, all of us have limited amounts of time for contesting. Those
> > limitations, in connection with the appeal a particular contest has
> > for each individual is what should drive whether or not you operate a
> > contest FT, PT, or at all. IF you operate, and if you're a member of
> > the SECC, then report your score for the club. To do otherwise is
> > putting the cart before the horse.
> >
> > > > > I am at the point now that I would
> > > > > probably just give up running the GQP if someone else in the club
wanted to
> > > > > run it, but I don't think there is anyone else in the club that
wants to do
> > > > > it.
> >
> > See, that is one of the dangers of introducing activities such as the
> > GQP to the club. Now some folks (such as Jeff) feel a responsibility
> > to do things that they're not inclined to do as time passes. I've
> > always thought that sponsoring the GQP was a bad idea...and why I've
> > never gotten involved. But it seems like a good thing to do to a lot
> > of folks because we're a contest group and it's the state contest.
> > So, it got started. Now, it's a burden.
> >
> > > > > > We need to have some club activities to rally around and until
that
> > > > > happens I see nothing changing
> >
> > Nothing really should change - the only thing that the club should
> > rally around is submitting scores in club competitions.
> >
> > > > > > I think the roster needs to be cleaned up as well.
> >
> > Well, that's a different story altogether.
> >
> > > > > We have a core of maybe
> > > > > > 30 stations out of over 100 on the club roster that are active
in the
> > > > > club.
> > > > > > That means 70% of the club is not active in any way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the two years I have lived in GA I have not seen these
people at a
> > > > > club meeting, on the reflector, or even submit a score for SECC.
> >
> > The final item you mentioned: score submission is the only thing that
> > should really be addressed. If one hasn't submitted two scores per
> > year in contests with club competition, they should be removed from
> > the roster...but I'd personally like to see that changed. If I only
> > operated one contest a year or every other year, I'd still like to
> > have a place to submit my score. But as it stands, two entries per
> > year are required.
> >
> > > > > Maybe
> > > > > someone who has time can do some analysis on the ARRL contest
website
> > > > to see
> > > > > who has been submitting scores.
> >
> > The ARRL website has absolutely nothing to do with it. Some members
> > may not wish to enter any ARRL contest, and they don't have to.
> > There are enough other contests out there that are not ARRL-
> > affiliated that have club competitions so that a member could be
> > fully compliant without operating any ARRL event.
> >
> > Anyway...
> >
> > I mean no offense to any of the "newbies", but just offer this for
> > perspective. I know a lot of the members of the SECC and of those
> > guys, I like all of you...and I'm sure I'd like the guys that I
> > haven't met. It's not that I or the club are anti-social...we just
> > aren't social.
> >
> > If you want a social, active club, this isn't it because it wasn't
> > designed to be. I suppose you could try to change it into one, but
> > suspect you'd have the same trouble NQ4I had with the Dixie DXers.
> > I, for one, would hate to see that happen, but things change.
> >
> > But the SECC isn't broke and doesn't need fixing.
> >
> > BTW, I want to mention that the stuff that K4BAI posts on here every
> > week about the upcoming contests and member activities in those
> > contests is great, and exactly what we had in mind when we started
> > this thing. I know John is doing it to help spur operating, and it
> > is a "good thing" John has always been one of the most active and
> > best contesters in the state...and those traits are not unrelated.
> > I'm sure it's a lot of work for him and wanted to acknowledge it.
> >
> > 73 de Lee
> >
> > --
> > Lee Hiers, AA4GA
> > Cornelia, Georgia
> >
> >
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