I agree that the XYLs should be given an opportunity to participate. Pat,
W4LLR, frequently participates when I contest as M/S. I operate/log and
she tolerates/pays the electric bill. Definitely multi-op!
After she came from West Virginia, I provided her first pair of shoes when
we met at The Ohio State University in 1969 and she has followed me ever
since.
Allowing her to have children was predicated on her obtaining a Technician
Class license. She did so in 1979---in front of the FCC. (remember those
days)
Unlike Dan, who also claims Ohio as home, I was transplanted there. I am
a true Southerner by birth. Washington, DC. Save looking at yore maps,
boys. DC is South of the Mason-Dixon Line.
Now all-y'all put on your big boy panties and deal with it.
Tom NN4RR, ex-WM9M, ex-KB8AC, ex-WB8WIJ.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Jeswald" <w4nti@mindspring.com>
To: <secc@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: [SECC] A long post about the SECC...was:
> Agreed......perhaps as loggers?
>
> Dan/W4NTI
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Gary McConville <wb4sq@yahoo.com>
> > To: <secc@contesting.com>
> > Date: 9/3/04 10:21:55 AM
> > Subject: [SECC] A long post about the SECC...was:
> >
> > My belief is that if XYLs are included in a social events once in a
> > while, they'll be more tolerable with our radio activities...
> >
> > Gary - WB4SQ
> >
> >
> > --- ku8e@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > No disrespect for W4AN, but I don't know if I really personally care
> > > for the "internet only club idea" anyway. Only reason I joined SECC
> > > is that it was the only club down here interested in contesting.
> > > Maybe we need to "re think" this whole concept ?? Is there an
> > > interest in changing ??
> > >
> > > I am not proposing that we have formal meetings, meeting
> > > requirements or even
> > > a demand that you operate so many contests or you will be kicked out
> > > of the club. AA4GA is right in commenting that the formal processes
> > > we do have in place are only there to meet ARRL requirements.
> > >
> > > What I am proposing is that are membership maybe think about having
> > > activities that promote camaraderie in the club. This could include
> > > rallying around a specific contest and set a goal to win the club
> > > competition or have a social event such as a club FD and picnic,
> > > social meeting etc.... And number one is
> > > to get on an OPERATE and submit your score for SECC. Lee says this is
> > > an "OPERATING club" but lately there has been a lack of that as well.
> > >
> > > Also, I disagree with AA4GA's comment that we could never be like
> > > MRRC,SMC, etc...Those clubs have a membership that it spread out as
> > > well. Look at SMC. They have members from MN,IA and as far east as
> > > IN. If you look at our roster the core of our membership is in GA,
> > > especially around the Atlanta area. We also have about 7 members in
> > > SC , 17 in AL, of which not all are active.
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe my comments are out of line being on of the new people on the
> > > block down here as far as contesting... My idea of having a club is
> > > to promote
> > > camaraderie about contesting and socialize with people who have the
> > > same interest. If everyone just wants to stay at the Status Quo and
> > > leave it the way it is that's fine... But I will probably not be part
> > > of it...
> > >
> > > 73, Jeff
> > >
> > > >
> > > > From: "Lee Hiers" <aa4ga@contesting.com>
> > > > Date: 2004/09/02 Thu PM 08:20:09 EDT
> > > > To: <secc@contesting.com>
> > > > Subject: A long post about the SECC...was: Re: [SECC]
> > > >
> > > > On 2 Sep 2004 at 16:54, Jay Pryor wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I agree wholeheartedly that the club would benefit from
> > > face-to-face
> > > > > meetings and exchanges of ideas. However, it was because of the
> > > every day
> > > > > demands on many of us, including KU8E and others, that the club
> > > was
> > > > > established by W4AN (who disliked meetings) to interact with one
> > > another
> > > > > via the internet. Read "About Us" on the SECC web site, crafted
> > > by K2UFT.
> > > >
> > > > That comes as close to anything to describing the character of the
> > > > club as I've seen written down for posterity.
> > > >
> > > > I remember discussing it with W4AN and W4WA before we ever started
> > > > the club. None of us were interested in any of the political BS
> > > that
> > > > comes with most clubs. None of us wanted regular meetings at all.
> > >
> > > > The whole thing was designed to take place right here on the
> > > > reflector. The reflector was considered to be a continuous virtual
> > >
> > > > meeting.
> > > >
> > > > You've got a question or need some help, ask here on the reflector.
> > >
> > > > Contest coming up and we need some ra-ra...do it here on the
> > > > reflector. You're gonna be in Huntsville for a couple days and
> > > want
> > > > to get together and go out for a beer with some other SECCers -
> > > talk
> > > > it up on the reflector.
> > > >
> > > > The sole reason for starting a club was to have a regional
> > > > organization for which we could report scores in club competition.
> > >
> > > > Why? Because the only other alternative would be something like
> > > the
> > > > Valdosta RC, where there might be one or two or zero people
> > > > interested in contests.
> > > >
> > > > This area of the country has never had anything like PVRC, FRC,
> > > MRRC,
> > > > etc. - and never will - because there just aren't that many serious
> > >
> > > > contesters located in a dense area that would support that.
> > > >
> > > > Years ago, when NQ4I moved down here, he found out there wasn't a
> > > > contest club. The closest thing was the SEDXC, and there weren't a
> > >
> > > > lot of folks interested in contesting there really. I remember
> > > going
> > > > to an SEDXC meeting and when asked what I wanted to get out of the
> > > > club replying that I was a contestor and mostly interested in that
> > > > aspect of radio, and was looking for a place to report my
> > > > scores...well, I was cold-shouldered the rest of the night, and for
> > >
> > > > most of the several years I was a member of that club. I enjoyed
> > > > going to the club meetings when I was able and had some good
> > > friends
> > > > that were members of that club...most of whom were contesters to
> > > one
> > > > degree or another: N4RJ, N4NX, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, when Rick moved to GA, he realized that the SEDXC wasn't
> > > > going to cut it as a contest club (I think his experience may have
> > > > been a bit more intense than mine) so, he started the Dixie DXers -
> > > a
> > > > contest club. I have never seen anyone put as much energy in
> > > trying
> > > > to get a contest club going as Rick did. He came from the FRC, and
> > >
> > > > was super gung-ho about it. It lasted for a few years, but
> > > > ultimately failed, I believe partially because Rick was really the
> > > > only one pushing that club, but mostly because there just isn't a
> > > > high enough density of contesters in the area to support a
> > > > "traditional" club.
> > > >
> > > > But the ONLY activity that the SECC was designed for was score
> > > > reporting - no GQP, no sponsoring of plaques, no treasury, no
> > > social
> > > > activities - nothing. Like John said - it is an OPERATING club.
> > > > The only reason there were any in-person meetings at all was to
> > > > satisfy the ARRL requirement at the time of two meetings per year.
> > >
> > > > And to reduce that burden even further, we decided that at each
> > > > gathering of members to hold two meetings. One meeting would be
> > > > called to order and with very little discussion the meeting would
> > > be
> > > > adjourned and a second meeting called to order, and it too would be
> > >
> > > > quickly adjourned with little discussion. Under the ideal
> > > > circumstances, both meetings would be over and done in about two
> > > > minutes. And the ARRL requirements for everyone in attendance were
> > >
> > > > satisfied.
> > > >
> > > > If you couldn't make the Atlanta Hamfest, but were going to be at
> > > the
> > > > Huntsville Hamfest, any two members could call a meeting, and with
> > > > the two meetings in one procedure, whoever was in attendance had
> > > > their ARRL requirements for attendance satisfied.
> > > > Whambamthankyoumaam.
> > > >
> > > > Of course usually folks would hang out and talk about contesting
> > > and
> > > > life and generally socialize before and after the official
> > > meetings,
> > > > but they weren't officially part of the club activities, and the
> > > > meetings weren't regularly scheduled.
> > > >
> > > > Now that the ARRL no longer has a 2-meetings per year requirement,
> > > > there is no need for the SECC to have ANY in-person official
> > > meetings
> > > > AT ALL.
> > > >
> > > > The only requirement for membership should be the submission of a
> > > > minimum of two scores per year in a contest with a club competition
> > > -
> > > > and I'm not sure we should really have that, although theoretically
> > >
> > > > it should increase the aggregate scores somewhat, so we decided to
> > > > implement that at the beginning. There should be no geographic
> > > > requirements for membership, although the club is designed to
> > > > primarily include folks from TN, NC, AL, GA, and SC.
> > > Geographically,
> > > > the only restrictions should be those imposed for specific contests
> > >
> > > > by their sponsors. And to accommodate those contests, we selected
> > > a
> > > > geographical center of the club.
> > > >
> > > > K4SB is a stickler on the by-laws (and this isn't an attack Ed!),
> > > but
> > > > the honest truth of the matter is that the ONLY reason there are
> > > any
> > > > written by-laws at all is because the ARRL required us to submit
> > > them
> > > > when we applied for affiliated club status.
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to comment some on these quotes below:
> > > >
> > > > > > > From: "Tommy" <aldermant@alltel.net>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > After coming back to south Georgia last year from the
> > > Washington, DC area
> > > > > > > and the PVRC, the Valdosta ARC is a true joke. The SECC, as
> > > Jeff mentions,
> > > > > > > has a very small core of active members and there seems to
> > > not be much
> > > > > > > effort in stimulating more activity. SECC officers seem to
> > > only speak up
> > > > > > > when someone tend's to 'rock the boat'! Is there any
> > > leadership?
> > >
> > === message truncated ===
> >
> >
> >
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