Dead center hit.
The "new RTTY operators" just don't give a rip about CW.
Dan/W4NTI
ku8e at bellsouth.net wrote:
> Bill...
>
> You don't get the point and are side stepping the issue. Sure, It is true
> that legally you can
> operate RTTY where the FCC rules say you can , which includes the whole bottom
> end of 40 meters.
>
> The point is there have been bandplans, gentleman's agreements (both formal
> and informal)
> or whatever you want to call them in place for longer than you and I have
> been hams. You know as well as I do that there is a DX window of 160 meters -
> 1825-1830. These agreements are meant to
> be a gentlemanly way to "keep the peace" and allow everyone to enjoy whatever
> activity they like to do
> be it DXing , ragchewing, CW, RTTY or whatever...
>
> Many of the new RTTY operators out there are just ignore these agreements
> and operate where they want and use the same arguments you do that it's their
> "right" because the FCC says they can operate on a certain frequency. I have
> had a RTTY operator start up on a frequency I have been
> on many times. At least on CW you can do a QRL? to ask if the frequency is is
> use. I doubt that RTTY
> operators do this... they just start up where they want too. I'm not saying
> there are not bad apples on CW.. there probably are and maybe they are
> handling things the wrong way by jamming a RTTY station who might of
> interupted their QSO.
>
> The bottom line is this RTTY/CW issue didn't exist before a few years ago
> until programs like MMTTY
> became available to make it easy to get on this mode without much investment
> of $$$...
>
> Jeff KU8E
>
>
>
>
>> From: Bill Coleman <aa4lr at arrl.net>
>> Date: 2006/09/27 Wed PM 11:22:42 EDT
>> To: <ku8e at bellsouth.net> <ku8e at bellsouth.net>
>> CC: <secc at contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SECC] Notes on 40 and SAC
>>
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2006, at 9:40 AM, <ku8e at bellsouth.net>
>> <ku8e at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> AA4LR wrote :
>>>
>>> " Perhaps during a RTTY or SSB contest, the CW ops might head to
>>> 7100-7150. At least for the next two or three years."
>>>
>>> Sorry Bill... that ain't going to happen.
>>>
>> Probably not, but it was a good suggestion.
>>
>>
>>> Besides, why should those operating CW move ?
>>>
>> Because the frequency is busy.
>>
>>
>>> The guys
>>> operating RTTY and SSB are encroaching on frequencies, that for
>>> years have be used for CW only.
>>>
>> They are definitely NOT!!! "encroaching". In Region 1, RTTY is
>> supposed to be in the area of 7025-7050; SSB is supposed to be
>> 7050-7100. Naturally, in a contest, things get crowded and people
>> spread out.
>>
>>
>>> There was no problem until RTTY contesting started becoming more
>>> popular.
>>>
>> As a member of the SECC, an organization dedicated to promoting and
>> improving radio contesting, I see nothing wrong with increasing
>> involvement in contesting, regardless of mode.
>>
>>
>>> As far as SSB.. I think those DX stations who operated below
>>> 7040 should be DQ'ed.
>>>
>> To be fair then, any Region 1 or Region 3 station who makes a CW
>> contact above 7040 should be DQ'd as well.
>>
>> (And I guess that means that all RTTY contacts with Regions 1 and 3
>> will have to be exactly on 7040....)
>>
>>
>>> There are gentleman agreements (i.e bandplans) that have been in
>>> place for years. They say
>>> 7040 for DX RTTY and 7080-7100 for everyone else. Just because
>>> the FCC rules say you could
>>> technically operate RTTY in the 160 meter DX window would you do
>>> it ??? No
>>>
>> What DX window? There is NO DX window in the 160m bandplan. (See:
>> http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/bandplan.html)
>>
>>
>>> I realize this ain't going to work for a major contest like
>>> CQWW RTTY.
>>>
>> Then why suggest it?
>>
>>
>>> I see no reason why the
>>> RTTY activity can't shift up to include 7100-7150.
>>>
>> Because many hams in Regions 1 and 3 aren't allowed to operate there.
>>
>>
>>> Those frequencies are not used much since the
>>> novice class was phased out.
>>>
>> Why don't we use these frequencies for domestic QRP CW operation
>> then? Why is that so absurd, but trying to use the same frequencies
>> for international DX contests isn't?
>>
>> Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net
>> Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
>> -- Wilbur Wright, 1901
>>
>>
>>
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