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[TenTec] Re: Heil ProSet adapter with Orion -- hum

To: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>, tentec@contesting.com
Subject: [TenTec] Re: Heil ProSet adapter with Orion -- hum
From: Ron Martin <royalct@inr.net>
Reply-to: tentec@contesting.com
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:08:45 GMT
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Jim,

Thanks for the information.

I believe that I will rewire the Heil (and the one I built) transition cable to do what you suggest. I do have some 'old time' balance mikes that I would like to try on the Orion.


Thanks



Ron


Jim Brown writes:

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:33:10 -0500, George Skoubis wrote:

I shouldn't bring this up again for someone will blame it on the "Pin 1
problem".  The fact is there's typically 4 connections for microphone
audio.
There is the Audio Hi or +,  Audio Lo or -, Audio Ground, and Audio
Shield.

I suspect that the problems here may be related to the difference between balanced and unbalanced audio wiring. Virtually all ham gear uses UN-balanced audio -- as I understand it (I'm not flush enough to own one), the Orion uses a balanced mic input, which is a nice step up, but it can lead to problems when you interface an unbalanced mic. A balanced mic uses only + and - for audio -- the shield is ONLY a shield.


An unbalanced mic uses the shield both as a shield AND as "audio -", so if you want to use an unbalanced mic with a balanced input, you must connect the shield to both chassis and "audio -". The chassis connection terminates the shield, and the "audio -" connection completes the audio circuit.

There's another big advantage to having a balanced audio input -- you can plug a pro mic directly into it!

The Standard wiring (AES and IEC) for a cable-mounted XLR connector is

1 - Shield
2 - Audio high
3 - Audio low
Shell - no connection (there are VERY good reasons why this is the Standard, and they involve the prevention of ground loops in installed systems).


The correct wiring for a chassis-mounted XLR connector carrying balanced audio is

1 - Chassis
2 - Audio high
3 - Audio low


The correct wiring for balanced audio is:

Shield to chassis
Audio High to Audio High
Audio Low to Audio Low


Much equipment, including all of the pre-Orion Ten Tec gear I have seen, is built improperly, in that it takes the shield to the circuit board and not to the chassis. There are two fixes.

1) Rewire the equipment connector to disconnect the shield (pin 1) from the circuit board and connect it to the chassis. (Best) Unfortunately, lots of equipment use connectors that are mounted to the circuit board, and it is difficult or impossible to rewire them correctly.

2) Rewire the cable-mounted connector to connect the shield to the shell. (Second best, but it fixes all but the most severe problems).

Hope this helps.

Jim Brown K9YC


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