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Re: [TenTec] Ground, noise blankers in the Omni V and plasma TV's

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Ground, noise blankers in the Omni V and plasma TV's
From: "Bob McGraw - K4TAX" <RMcGraw@Blomand.net>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:59:35 -0600
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I did a compliance test some years back on several TV's. Included were both plasma and LCD models. Tests included both standard conducted and radiated modes. Noise via the conducted path, otherwise via the power cable or any other cable, wire or connection is relatively easy to correct with a common mode choke being no more than a ferrite donut with a few turns of the offending wire wrapped through the core. This must be located as close or inside the TV for maximum effectiveness. As to radiated emissions, only shielding the box will correct the situation. An extreme approach is to find the offending component or components and place a ferrite bead on each leg of the component or put the module in a shielded box.

In rotating the plasma TV's on a turntable and measuring the radiation for 360 degrees horizontally and then measuring the same in a vertical mode, it was noted the most of the radiation was from the front of the set. The back case or cover may have some copper spray coating or some conductive metallic coating to minimize the radiation in that direction.

It is sad today that although every manufacturer selling or distributing electronic product in the USA is required to perform these tests and certify that the device is in compliance. Unfortunately cost-down measures after certification often eliminate critical components and methods that are in place to reduce or eliminate the radiation. {Hey what do bean counters know about EMI cause and effect?} It is up to us, the user, to determine that the device is out of compliance and then file a written complaint with the manufacturer. Making this determination is not easy nor inexpensive. Just hearing the noise is not justification. The general criteria is being specific as to frequency, bandwidth, and actual level measured in microvolts per meter. Also data on residual background noise is required along the same criteria. Once the complaint is filed, it is then their responsibility to correct the issue. And finally after all the reposts, measurements and paper work is done and the appropriate waiting time has expired only then can we file with the FCC to have anything done. This of course is unless the offending device is causing interference to critical services such as aircraft communications, national security and emergency services. And with the scaled down enforcement branch of the FCC in this area, it would likely be years before anything is actually done.

Bottom line, if one has a problem, find it and fix it. You'll be a lot better off and with a solution much sooner.

73
Bob, K4TAX

P.S. - That is a very good link that Jim has provided. Do save it for reference.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Brown K9YC" <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Ground, noise blankers in the Omni V and plasma TV's


On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:54:16 -0500, Scott Sheppard wrote:

Dealing with some very bad RFI from my plasma TV (Panasonic).Have
improved my ground to no avail (I honestly did'nt think it would do
anything anyway--in fact it stays the same with no ground at all).

All products are different -- they have their own ways of radiating
trash depending on how they are built. If the dominant mechanism is
direct radiation from the screen, as K4TAX has described, you're
hosed -- there's nothing you can do but turn it off or dispose of
it.

IF, however, the trash is radiated common mode by cable attached to
the set (that is, that wiring is an antenna), you can make a MAJOR
dent in the noise with a common mode choke. The tutorial below
explains these mechanisms and describes how to kill them.

http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf

73,

Jim Brown K9YC



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