Just knowing the value of the capacitors is not enough. That would assume that
identical crystals were used in both the high-tone and the low-tone filters. We
cannot make that assumption. Therefore, the individual comparing the filters
would have to measure the crystals used for center frequency at least. At that
point, if the crystals were identical, we could continue the process of
measuring the capacitors necessary to pull their center frequency. As Jerry's
e-mail stated, that is not the purpose of the capacitors in this filter design.
Dave
WA3MKB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hyder --N4NT--" <Mike_N4NT@embarqmail.com>
To: geraldj@weather.net, "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment"
<tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 7:32:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [TenTec] CW filter for Omni-VI+.... What model? 250Hz,
9MHz... LOW TONE CW!??
I divided 250 Hz by 9 million Hz and got 0.00002778. I suppose I must then
move the decimal two places to the right, or 0.002778% to get the percentage
of change needed to move a 9 MHz crystal 250 Hz. I don't vouch for the math
and can't get my head around numbers like that but am sure you can. In my
opinion, Ten-Tec would have to pay dearly for such accuracy in the crystals
and might well move their frequency a quarter kHz with capacitors.
My statement was based upon something I heard from Ten-Tec or general lore
and it was based on reality rather than theory. As I dimly recall, I was
discussing the filters and wishing I had the 500 Hz centered one. The other
fellow said that the only difference between them was the capacitors. I
should have asked further and taken notes, huh? Perhaps we can get a
willing soul to examine his 500 Hz centered filter and report the capacitor
values so we can compare them to a 750 Hz centered filter. Perhaps we can
get a kind soul at Ten-Tec to give us the specifications for the filters.
Either way might help us better understand what Ten-Tec did and why they did
it.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson" <geraldj@weather.net>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 03:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] CW filter for Omni-VI+.... What model? 250Hz,9MHz...
LOW TONE CW!??
> On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 15:14 -0400, Mike Hyder --N4NT-- wrote:
>> Somewhere along the line I got the notion that the difference between the
>> filters centered at 750 Hz and centered at 500 Hz was only the capacitors
>> on
>> the filter board.
>>
>> Did I make this up or can anyone shed light on it?
>>
>> Mike N4NT
>>
> More properly its the frequency of the crystals that set the center
> frequency, the capacitors set the coupling between crystals, and the
> bandpass. Dragging the crystals with different capacitors might work but
> would change the filter terminal impedance that would probably cause
> increased insertion loss. 250 Hz shift on a 9 MHz filter wouldn't
> require a change in capacitors at all, just the crystals.
>
> 73, Jerry, K0CQ
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