They make my ears hot...so I hate them,
73,
Lee
-----Original Message-----
From: Walt Amos <waltk8cv4612amos@att.net>
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 8:46 am
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
Well,now, I think someone aught to wear a HEADSET and then you don't
hear
any damn clacking reed relays ...............
Walt K8CV Royal Oak, MI.
"Laissez les bons temps rouler"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry N1EU" <barry.n1eu@gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>I only tried delaying one of the EXT TR relays and it made no
> difference on the relay clacking - I didn't try delaying both of them.
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP <Rick@dj0ip.de>
> wrote:
>> Barry, if you delay those relays, they won't follow the cw keying
and
>> they won't clack.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com
>> [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Barry N1EU
>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:00 PM
>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>>
>> Right, but he's asking specifically about the audible relay clacking.
>>
>> Barry N1EU
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:51 AM, <d.e.warnick@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On the Orion II:
>>>
>>> If you go to:
>>>
>>> MENUS , TX, there is an EXT T/T Delay1 (or Delay 2) and that
>>>
>>> "provides "hang time" for non-QSK linear amplifier"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you go to:
>>>
>>> MENUS, CW, There is a CW QSK Delay that "Allows the operator to
slow the
>>> QSK operation in CW transmit. A higher value represents more
>>> transmit/receive delay between individual transmitgted CW
characters.
>>> This delay control also controls the deelay of the QSK amplifier
keying
>>> loops and the delay set for outputs at AMP KEY 1 and AMP KEY 2. The
>>> default value is 20%."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The above is from my Orion II manual.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The part that is a bit vague to me is the default of 20% in the CW
menu.
>>> I should think that a delay of 0% would be true QSK, similar to my
Omni
>>> VI+, but I have no way to measure it. I'm sure that John Henry can
teoll
>>> us what value to set to have the same performance as the older Omni
VI,
>>> and Corsair II had.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> WA3F
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Barry N1EU" <barry.n1eu@gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 6:17:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>>>
>>> Two relays?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP
<Rick@dj0ip.de>
>>> wrote:
>>>> That makes no sense at all.
>>>> One would think that it adjusts the hang time of the Linear's own
>>>> relay, and therefore the Orion's internal relay would have to stop
>>>> clacking.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com
>>>> [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Barry N1EU
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:08 AM
>>>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>>>>
>>>> There IS an EXT T/R Delay setting in the TX Menu but it has no
effect
>>>> on the keying relay clacking.
>>>>
>>>> Barry N1EU
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP
<Rick@dj0ip.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Guys, I may be wrong, but I seem to remember that there were TWO
>>>>> adjustments; one for the relay and one for the RX recovery. It's
been
>>>>> over 5 years since I have owned an Orion, but I'm pretty certain
it
>>>>> was that way. In any case, it would have to be one of the items
on the
>>>>> TX menu.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Rick
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com
>>>>> [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Barry N1EU
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:40 AM
>>>>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct Floyd, the CW delay makes the receiver audio quiet but
does
>>>>> nothing for the relay clacking in both the Orion and Orion II.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Barry N1EU
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Floyd Sense <floyd@k8ac.net>
wrote:
>>>>>> An interesting question. I wonder if the Orion and Orion 2
differ in
>>>>>> this respect. On my Orion 2, I can use the CW delay to achieve
>>>>>> semi-break-in, but I still hear the same relay clacking away. I
>>>>>> expected to hear the relay only at the beginning and end of a
>>>>>> transmission, but that's not the case - it still follows the
keying,
>>>>>> although the receiver is properly muted for the delay set with
the CW
>>>>>> delay function. So, maybe Toshimi's desire to eliminate the
relay
>>>>>> noise
>>>>>> is not satisfied this way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73, Floyd - K8AC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/13/2011 5:56 PM, Barry N1EU wrote:
>>>>>>> Menus - CW - CW QSK Delay
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> start with 25% and increase/decrease as necessary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>> Barry N1EU
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Rick - DJ0IP /
>>>>>>> NJ0IP<Rick@dj0ip.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Toshimi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can adjust the delay of the TR relay.
>>>>>>>> If you select a delay, then it is effectively semi BK and no
longer
>>>>>>>> QSK.
>>>>>>>> This was added to the rig after the initial release so it
probably
>>>>>>>> was not
>>>>>>>> in the manual.
>>>>>>>> Maybe someone who owns an Orion can jump in and tell you
exactly
>>>>>>>> how to
>>>>>>>> adjust it. I have forgotten.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>>> Rick, DJ0IP
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Toshimi Horie
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 11:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: tentec@contesting.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all. I am JE2UFF.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This month, I got the Orion of used one from US.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just start operation with it. I can checked user manual, but
not
>>>>>>>> found.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So please tell me for everyone.
>>>>>>>> The Orion has semi break in mode? I have other rig. That's
japanese
>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>> Normaly, japanese transceiver has two kind of break in
operation
>>>>>>>> mode. It's
>>>>>>>> semi and full break in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Orion do the CW mode, each mores code can switch the
relay. It
>>>>>>>> is very
>>>>>>>> noisy. Is this normal specs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it has semi break in mode then the relay can switch for
start
>>>>>>>> and finish
>>>>>>>> of two times. Very quaiet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks all
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