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Re: [TenTec] which balun?

To: rmcgraw@blomand.net, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] which balun?
From: Wade Staggs <tvman1954@gmail.com>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 23:16:11 -0500
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*Bob,*
*     Hello and Thanks for the help. I am dumping the output from the Balun
or Ugly Balun  ( depends on which is used ) into 450 ohm Window/Ladder Line
and a Dipole which is 126 feet long at about 35 feet high. The reason I use
the Window/Ladder line is because One Antenna has to do it ALL at the
present QTH. ( Multiband ) Does the 0.3 db loss still hold true? It is much
harder to hurt the RG-213. I sometimes get a Wild Hair and do almost Legal
Limit. Although the SB-220 really won't quite get there but, is a really
easy Kilowatt. I don't push anything to the limit. Don't know why I even
worry, the SB-220 has been cold for over 8 months. Guess I need to at least
fire it up in standby mode for a few hours this week!  Maybe heat my Dummy
Load with about 150 watts of AM for a minute or two. If the 0.3 db figure
holds true, I will be at the Hardware Store for my PVC pipe in the morning!*
*                                            Thanks from Wade/KJ4WS*

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Robert Mcgraw <rmcgraw@blomand.net> wrote:

> Based on 25 ft of RG-213 at 30 MHz the loss will be about 0.3 dB.  Lower
> frequencies will be less.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> > *Helped my friend.... Dale/KA4ZDR with mine. He does quite well with the
> > Multiband Dipole and the Ugly Balun. I Need to build another one. They
> > work
> > GREAT. I was just concerned with the Loss of the Coax in my
> > Windows/Ladder
> > Line to Coax Transformation. Total length of Coax out the window is 10
> > feet
> > to the Ladder Line. I know that there is loss there due to SWR but, You
> > have to do what you can with these Triple insulated and All Aluminum
> > windows. I never thought to ask the Engineers in our group, which set-up
> > would have less loss?*
> > *                                73 Wade/KJ4WS*
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Robert Mcgraw <rmcgraw@blomand.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Has everyone forgotten about "the ugly balun"?   Inexpensive to build
> >> and
> >> will handle about all the power one can generate.  Inside or outside,
> >> no
> >> housing required.  A 25 ft length of RG-213 and about 18" of 4"PVC is
> >> about all required.  If you intend to use it at frequencies above 7.0
> >> MHz
> >> then less coax can be used.
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Bob, K4TAX
> >>
> >>
> >> > OK...
> >> >
> >> > 1)  I use a 4:1 Balun Designs 4114ocf  on my 40-10 meter OCF dipole.
> >> >
> >> > 2)  I use a DX-Engineering 4:1 Un-Un on my 43 ft vertical, when it is
> >> > set for 43 feet, and no balun at all when I lower it to a 33 ft 40 m
> >> > ground plane antenna.
> >> >
> >> > I considered a feed line choke... but DX-E was emphatic it    would
> >> not
> >> be
> >> > necessary,  and while I see no adverse result therefrom, I wonder
> >> > whether a feed line choke would still be a good idea, and I may try
> >> one
> >> > anyway.  In contrast, I wonder why I should purchase a solution
> >> without
> >> > first having a problem...
> >> >
> >> > 3)  I use a  Cal-AV EB-2 Line Isolation Choke (purchased from Array
> >> > Solutions) on my rotatable dipoles made of aluminum tubing.  (I see
> >> > these no longer appear on the Array Solutions web site...)
> >> >
> >> > 4)   I have also used the Cal-AV EB-2 Line Isolation Choke on my
> >> > elevated vertical ground plane antennas, although I have been
> >> fortunate
> >> > that I cannot see any advantage with or without it, and a lack of
> >> > problems is always a welcome condition.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -------------------  K8JHR  --------------------
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 7/27/2013 10:59 AM, denton sprague wrote:
> >> >> Thought would start a little poll..
> >> >> Which balun are you using with your 238 series TT tuners and multi
> >> band
> >> >> antenna?
> >> >> Currently, I use a balun designs 4214t 4:1 balun to feed my 80 meter
> >> >> horizontal loop…with 450 ohm feeders.
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