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Re: [TenTec] Eagle problem?

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Eagle problem?
From: Cecil <chacuff@cableone.net>
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Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 16:40:09 -0500
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Yep...agree...all points...

Cecil

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> On May 16, 2014, at 10:45 AM, "Bob McGraw - K4TAX" <RMcGraw@Blomand.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Agreed with your points.  However the statement I originally addressed is; 
> "the 3rd pin ground is not good lightning protection" or something to that 
> fact.  The 3rd pin system was never intended to be such.
> 
> I'll revert to my manual from Motorola, all 513 pages of it, on the topic of 
> ground system construction and integration.  We must all agree that lightning 
> protection and mitigation and grounding must be constructed as a system.  It 
> is not a thing and it is far from being as simple as a driven ground rod or 
> rods with a conductor connected to ones radio.
> 
> In conclusion the topic is much too broad to be adequately discussed in a 
> venue such as a product related reflector.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cecil" <chacuff@cableone.net>
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Eagle problem?
> 
> 
>> I can agree with "All lightning protection must BEGIN outside the structure."
>> 
>> But the fact is we, by the very nature of building a radio station, have 
>> invited lightning inside by virtue of multiple copper paths.  Our various 
>> feedlines, rotor control cables, remote antenna switch cables etc..
>> 
>> We have to build a last line of defense inside the shack to deal with, as 
>> effectively as possible, whatever remaining strike potential makes it 
>> through our outside defenses.
>> 
>> Tying those two protection systems together is not inviting the energy 
>> in...it's extending the protection all the way to the equipment we are 
>> working so hard to protect.
>> 
>> Of course there are two camps..I have a friend that believes don't ground 
>> anything...including the tower....that encourages...invites a lightning 
>> strike to occur.
>> 
>> Everybody knows lightning seeks the best path to ground...
>> 
>> I guess the best course is to do what makes one sleep best at night....
>> 
>> Cecil
>> K5DL
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2014, at 3:49 PM, Robert <rmcgraw@blomand.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All lightning protection must exist outside of the structure.
>>> 
>>> Do nothing to invite lightning inside unless you desire a lot of damage.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Bob K4TAX
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 3:39 PM, Brian Carling <bcarling@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> AC 3rd pin is not going to be a very effective ground for protection from 
>>>> lightning damage.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards - Bry Carling AF4K
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Robert <rmcgraw@blomand.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Braid is not the best choice for a low inductance RF path.  It is 
>>>>> although necessary for flexible applications.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Personally I bond all equipment to the station supply and do not use 
>>>>> anything but the AC 3rd pin for safety reasons.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Carter <k8vt@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5/14/2014 5:56 PM, Stuart Rohre wrote:
>>>>>>> Some Yaecomwoods do suffer from RF entering the rig.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> MOST ANY rig will if you have a bad shield connection on coax jumper, 
>>>>>>> or have rig too close to the antenna, (second floor shack), and there 
>>>>>>> are many other rig and feedline issues to rule out in any RFI case.
>>>>>> True, can be many causes, but I am in a basement shack. Also, a few 
>>>>>> years ago, I used a Drake TR-7 on SSB with everything else the same and 
>>>>>> it worked fine. However, I realize that the TR-7 was not as 
>>>>>> "computerized" (dependent on microprocessors) as the Omni VI.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Rule of thumb:  Power all equipment from same circuit breaker of the 
>>>>>>> house.  That ensures AC grounds will not be coming from widely 
>>>>>>> different locations.  IF you have to use a long ground wire for 
>>>>>>> lightning protection ground on the station (like from second floor 
>>>>>>> shack), consider that it could act as an "antenna" for pick up of RF 
>>>>>>> from the real antenna. You may need tuned radials, or a radial for each 
>>>>>>> favorite band.
>>>>>> Good tip and I believe I am on the same breaker for all the ham 
>>>>>> equipment. Again, a basement shack and 5 or 6 feet of a single 3/4 inch 
>>>>>> wide braid from the ground  of each piece of equipment to the ground rod 
>>>>>> right on the outside of the basement wall.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You could always examine the quality of the grounding of the mike cable 
>>>>>>> shield.  Some older mike cords had just a multi-strand wire wrapped in 
>>>>>>> one direction and not a hatch pattern wire shield. Some aluminum foil 
>>>>>>> shields don't make a good low impedance connection by clamping. 
>>>>>>> (Connections that can't be soldered are suspect).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Should have mentioned this earlier, but back in the day before I used 
>>>>>> any computer interface, I had the problem with both a TT 705(?) mic and 
>>>>>> a Heil Pro headset. Probably unlikely that both were defective.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> Carter   K8VT
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