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Re: [TenTec] ARRL Phase Noise Data Plotted to 1 MHz

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] ARRL Phase Noise Data Plotted to 1 MHz
From: Robert <rmcgraw@blomand.net>
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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:10:14 -0500
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I use pink noise for all my tests that involve a signal like speech.   I agree 
Jim that it is the proper signal character for the mode. 

73
Bob, K4TAX


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> On Jul 28, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/28/2014 9:36 AM, Kim Elmore wrote:
>> I've been thinking, too. A square wave has an infinite number I'd odd 
>> harmonics, not all harmonics. Regardless, it's an excellent way to look at 
>> IMD, far better than two tones.
> 
> Yup.
>> 
>> What if we modulated the TX with pink noise? That really does have 
>> everything in it. Make the pink noise much wider than the expected audio 
>> bandwidth. Ideally, the spectrum should be limited to the TX filtered BW. 
>> Wouldn't this be nearly the most severe test?
> 
> Actually, it's a near ideal test for performance of the rig on SSB. One of 
> the major virtues of pink noise as a test signal is that it roughly 
> approximates the spectrum of both music and speech.  In pro audio, we've used 
> "shaped" pink noise for years to specify the performance of loudspeakers, 
> where the shaping is simply bandpass filtering of pink noise for the region 
> where the loudspeakers are intended to operate.  I strongly encourage the use 
> of pink noise shaped to a bandwidth of 100 Hz to 5 kHz for this purpose.
> 
> I've discussed this with Rob Sherwood several times, and taken him to task 
> for using white noise for that purpose because it does NOT approximate 
> speech. His response is that his intent is to represent clipped and distorted 
> audio. My problem with that is that good audio signal processing should be 
> tailored to the spectra of speech, so using white noise as a test signal will 
> cause that signal processing to misbehave (or behave differently from how it 
> would work with speech).
> 
> For those who don't know, pink noise is random noise with equal power per 
> PERCENTAGE bandwidth -- per octave, per third-octave, per sixth-octave, etc. 
> It can be generated by applying a 3dB/octave rolloff to white noise.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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