The camera/microphone was in front of my face. My ears are attached to the
side of my head. As my head turns, my ears follow. Same for the camera/mic.
What you hear in that video is exactly what I heard. I can vouch for this
since I was very close.
Both rigs were set for 500hz bw. Both had the same speaker. Both had the
same antenna. There's only so much you can do practically.
Really, I would have preferred that the IC-7300 blew away the Corsair II
thus justifying the investment. Very sad.
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Darrell Bellerive <ve7iu@runbox.com> wrote:
> I agree that the comparison needs to be made using all the capabilities of
> each rig. Each rig should be set up to present the clearest presentation of
> the desired signal regardless of bandwidth, gain, filters, etc. What counts
> is how well one can copy a weak signal in the midst of noise and
> interfering signals. If one receiver is so much noisier than another, there
> should be a case where one receiver will present a copyable signal to the
> operator, and another receiver will not be able to do so.
>
> Also, capturing audio from speakers with a moving microphone is a poor way
> of properly capturing the audio. Ideally audio should be recorded directly
> from the speaker jacks via a proper interface that provides a correct load
> for the audio amp in the radio and the proper signal level for the
> recording equipment. That way room acoustics and microphone position and
> surrounding materials are not influencing the audio recorded. Also,
> recording audio from a low level output on the receiver bypasses noise and
> distortion caused by the final audio amp and is not a true capture of the
> receiver audio.
>
> If a speaker and mic must be used, at least use one speaker for both
> radios with a fixed position mic directly in front of the speaker.
>
> 73, Darrell VE7IU
>
>
> On 16-11-23 11:42 AM, rick@dj0ip.de wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>> Did you try reducing the RF GAIN or turning on the ATTN on the 7300?
>>
>> Also, I don't understand why you say "it isn't fair" to turn on the NR on
>> the 7300.
>> That's its tool. The Corsair has other tools which you used (AF filter).
>>
>> There is no question that the Corsair sounded better but maybe a pruning
>> of
>> parameters on the 7300 might have decreased the difference.
>>
>> In any case, I don't think there is any chance that anyone will ever
>> build a
>> purely analog rig again, regardless of what the comparisons show. Maybe
>> that will increase the resale value of Corsairs.
>>
>> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
>> (Nr. Frankfurt, Germany)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Steve
>> Ellington
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:00 PM
>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Bring back the corsair 2
>>
>> I had a loaded K3s then bought an IC-7300 and the noise level was slightly
>> lower to the point that the K3s started gathering dust.
>> Recently I picked up a couple of Corsair II's having forgotten what they
>> were like. After listening to the Corsair II for a while the noise coming
>> from the IC-7300 sounds like Darth Vader's breathing. Just a few minutes
>> ago
>> I tried to have a QSO with a guy and I was having a terrible time trying
>> to
>> copy his CW. I switched to the Corsair II and felt total relief flood by
>> frazzled brain. I kicked in the 500 hz xtal filter. The noise actually
>> goes
>> down instead of up as it does in DSP rigs. I then brought in about 50%
>> audio
>> filtering and he sounded like a CPO...Remember those?
>>
>> The Corsair II was the last of long like of analog rigs from TenTec. PLL
>> and
>> DSP started creeping in and up came the noise.
>>
>> Here's a couple of videos I made to help get the point across. Again let
>> me
>> say that the 7300 is one of the quietest (modern) radios I've had and boy
>> does it sound noisy next to the Corsair II!
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX8EWUcnvBU
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LBbiXXRex8
>>
>> It's frustrating. I don't want it to be this way. I want a receiver that's
>> better than the Corsair II. What to do?
>>
>> steve n4lq
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Steve Berg <wa9jml@frontier.com> wrote:
>>
>> There is no way that it would be profitable to recreate the Corsair II
>>> these days. I really love my Corsair II, and its external VFO. But,
>>> I also realize that its days are numbered because many of the parts in
>>> it are no longer available. And, while it was an outstanding DX and
>>> contest radio when it was built, it is not suitable for contesting any
>>> more. Mine has done a great job for DXing from my rather poor location.
>>>
>>> I like it because after several years I have learned its quirks, and
>>> how to best use it under varying conditions. Realizing its age, I
>>> bought an Omni VII during the fire sale so that I would have a decent
>>> and much newer radio when the Corsair II finally breathes its last.
>>> After several months, I put the Omni VII on the shelf, and went back
>>> to the Corsair II. I eventually found a good home for the Omni with a
>>> newly minted ham. I don't miss it. It seemed to require a lot of menu
>>> usage for simple operations, and for which the Corsair II just
>>> requires a bit of adjustment of a knob or two. I was very impressed
>>> with the Eagle when I used one at the factory several years ago.
>>> Would I buy one at $1700 to have a backup for the Corsair II? Most
>>> likely yes, especially to help keep Ten Tec afloat. Most of the
>>> Japanese radios make extensive use of menus, and I don't like using
>>> those. I have two Argonaut VI radios, and the receivers in those are
>>> simply incredible. I would like to buy 2 more of them for use as
>>> VHF/UHF IF radios for transverters. They are apparently similar to
>>> the receiver in the Eagle, so that would be yet another reason to buy
>>> an Eagle. Since I have little use for contesting, that does not enter
>>>
>> into my preferences in rigs.
>>
>>> I have also worked in economic development as a city administrator and
>>> was on the county economic development board out where I last worked
>>> in this field. What Mike describes is what we referred to as elephant
>>>
>> hunting.
>>
>>> And, I suspect that his comments about economic development being
>>> taken over by the local Chambers of Commerce is sadly true. What
>>> these people do not understand is that by helping out smaller
>>> companies, there is a significant increase in a multiplier effect through
>>>
>> the local economy.
>>
>>> And, the local governments also have to provide less in the way of tax
>>> expenditures and other incentives. Where I live now local governments
>>> give too many incentives to retail and warehousing, which do not pay
>>> enough to support a family. They are trying to capitalize on the
>>> local university students, but wind up shooting themselves in the foot
>>> rather frequently. I would love to see a federal suit challenging
>>> economic incentives on the basis of the Fourteenth Amendment's Equal
>>> Protection Clause. That would really start to level the playing field in
>>>
>> local economic development.
>>
>>> Your Mileage May Vary...
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve WA9JML
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/23/2016 10:33 AM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, like that's going to happen...
>>>>
>>>> Considering what Dishtronix has dealt with, prior to the Ten Tec
>>>> acquisition, in regards to overseas manufacturers, I have some
>>>> serious doubts that Mike would seriously do this. Even if there is
>>>> sufficient market for the rig today, which I suspect there isn't.
>>>>
>>>> Now if you could design a Corsair III, including a DDS type dual VFO,
>>>> and could afford to build it domestically and sell it at a small
>>>> profit for circa US$600, you might have something. Maybe. But built
>>>> in China? I doubt it.
>>>>
>>>> 73, ron w3wn
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of gary
>>>> mankoff
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:36 AM
>>>> To: tentec@contesting.com
>>>> Subject: [TenTec] Bring back the corsair 2
>>>>
>>>> We need a new corsair 2 ,just like the old one with the filters
>>>> installed ,made in China.
>>>> This is the only way TT can compete.
>>>>
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