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Topband: 2Wire, Inc. 3800HGV-B Gateway. RFI

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Subject: Topband: 2Wire, Inc. 3800HGV-B Gateway. RFI
From: Frank Davis <fdavis@nfld.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:05:47 -0330
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I posted the note below on the 3830 list in my report on results  CQWW160.

Today I investigated the problem and discovered the problem existed on 80&40M 
as well
 where I use an OCF Dipole with a 4:1 balun and separate home brew toroid 
choke.  On
160 I Use a backyard Inv L with 30 radials of Random lengths and a ferrite bead 
choke.

The Gateway Router is installed in the wiring closet near the shack where the 
AC 
entrance and breaker panel is located.  All the CAT5 wiring for the house also 
terminates in this
Central point for connection to the router.   I used the SPEEDTEST.NET site to 
monitor the 
High speed line as I adjusted the power in these antennas.  On all three of 
these bands the line would
Crash at 100 w output.  The crash on 80&40 was dramatic whereas on 160 the line 
( router) would stop
And then try to recover indicating that the impact of the RF was greater on 
80&40.

Upon investigation I found that the output power cord to the router had been 
wedged in behind some AC
Power 12/2 wires coming out of the panel.  Just on spec I rerouted the cable 
away from the panel
And the AC wires.  To my great surprise upon testing with rig at 100w I 
discovered that on 160 m
The line crash had stopped!  With the amp on, the line would crash at about 
300w.   So on 160m some kind of 
common mode currents we're induced into the router power cable just by its 
proximity to the 
Household C wires!   By the way on 80&40 the dramatic line crashes did not stop 
by the
Change in location of the power cable. (OCF dipole used on these bands)

To cut to the conclusion I proceeded to use all the 2" toroids (#31 material) I 
had on hand plus some 
#43 snap on beads to isolate as many AC power cords as possible in the 
shack....in particular
The AC lInes to the rig and amp and the router power block.  Guess I should 
have done this 
previously. The greatest impact was realized I when I used three toroids in a 
stack and would the 
CAT5 cable from the high speed line modular jack to the router with a many 
turns as possible.  

The line does not crash now at power levels of 500-600w on the three low bands. 
 Common mode
Currents were entering the router over its power cable an also the high speed 
line CAT5 cable.
I need to place toroids on the drops feeding the TV's and the shack PC as well.

I pass it this experience on in the event that it might help others 
encountering similar issues.
I have read K9YC's excellent paper several times and have it to be a very 
valuable and practical 
Guide.

73 Frank
VO1HP




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Limited optg time - self-imposed for domestic bliss! It seems my new 
IPTV wireless router (Brand: 2Wire, Inc. 3800HGV-B Gateway) 
does not like the ACOM 1010 running at full power. It would crash during 
every exchange causing loss of TV and internet access. Sometimes it might 
recover between Q's depending. Only after my XYL had retired for the evening 
on Sat could I really get into the contest. Further investigation needed to see 
if I 
can mitigate the problem.


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