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Re: Topband: Spitfire question

To: "Eduardo Araujo" <er_araujo@yahoo.com>, "Topband" <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Spitfire question
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Reply-to: Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:07:46 -0500
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At first I was delighted because I got f/b at ground level of more than 20db across 25 Kc but surprise came when I could not notice any improvement in the front gain switching on/off the elements to medium distances (Brazil) or long
distance like Europe where it was pointed to (and same line of Brazil).
I measured FS at 300 mts at ground level and I only detect 1db maximun change Reading ON4UN book, It looks like because of its configuration, the main lobe is shifted upward a bit, so I could think that because of that I measured very little at ground level but not noticing any detectable change at Brazil (3000Km) nor Europe (>10000Km) it really makes me wonder if it is working at all.>>>>>

That antenna, with 25 radials on the center element, models to have about 3 dB gain over a single element. That seems good to me for two sloped, close spaced, bent wire elements for director and reflector.

You can be sure it is sensitive to exactly how you construct it, and how good your ground below the antenna is. It does not mean we do not have earth loss just because we do not attach a wire to a radial system near earth, so it should be highly influenced by ground losses around each sloped element end.

In my model, I used 25 radials 100 feet long on the center element. It had very good F/B ratio, 23 ohms feed impedance, and 3 dB gain. I used normal ground and wire losses.

When I look at things, I like to look at something almost perfect and seem if it all seems logical or sensible. I would never expect much more than 3 dB gain because of the wire folding, earth losses, and thin long wires for parasitic elements. After all, we only get 5 dB or so gain over a single element using a Yagi with full size thick elements when it is placed far above earth. A typical, real, four square is really about 4 dB over a single element. Certainly long thin wires near earth that are bent and sloped should not approach that amount, or the amount of a typical Yagi.

It would be pretty easy to go from 3 dB gain over a single vertical to 1 dB over a single vertical with any mistakes, and perhaps lose that much just through dimensional changes or earth problems. You are only 2 dB off, it usually does not take much to do that.

73 Tom
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