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Re: Topband: Insulator problems- Notr og caution

To: Bill Wichers <billw@waveform.net>, Charlie Cunningham <charlie-cunningham@nc.rr.com>, 'Greg - ZL3IX' <zl3ix@inet.net.nz>, "'Topband Reflector'" <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Insulator problems- Notr og caution
From: "Shoppa, Tim" <tshoppa@wmata.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:17:51 +0000
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Non-UV-rated clear 0.118" Polycarbonate is visibly yellowed and mildly brittle 
after 5 years in my outdoors environment in the sunshine and other weather.

I think this is the plasticizers "drying out" but I'm sure a polymers chemist 
would correct me.

Even though it's "mildly brittle" none of my insulators broke in service. They 
only broke when I flexed them with physical force. I would say the stuff was 
still way more flexible than similar new acrylic.

I still have the original non-UV-rated polycarbonate up 80 feet in the sky, and 
last year I added some UV-rated polycarbonate spacers.

Tim N3QE

-----Original Message-----
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bill Wichers
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:36 PM
To: Charlie Cunningham; 'Greg - ZL3IX'; 'Topband Reflector'
Subject: Re: Topband: Insulator problems- Notr og caution

Yep, that's the "black pigment commonly used" that I refer to. It's used in the 
PE jacks of coax too!

I can't say I've tested black - vs - white materials in the microwave region, 
but I've never seen a problem with them down in the HF (or 2m/6m) range.

Regarding acetal itself, I have a white bearing block on a boat lift that (was) 
in the sun pretty much all day, all summer, every year, and it lasted about 15 
years. It gets "chalky" after that time and starts to fracture. It would be a 
problem in tension, and it was a problem in constant used as a rotary bearing. 
The black material I replaced it with is about 5 years old now and still like 
new. 

  -Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlie Cunningham [mailto:charlie-cunningham@nc.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:33 PM
> To: Bill Wichers; 'Greg - ZL3IX'; 'Topband Reflector'
> Subject: RE: Topband: Insulator problems- Notr og caution
> 
> Many black plastics are "blackened" by the addition of "carbon black" 
> that can make them rather lossy at RF!  "Been there, done that" in my 
> work - at
> 900 MHz.
> 
> 73,
> Charlie, K4OTV
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