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Re: Topband: Ground Radials

To: "Chortek, Robert L" <Robert.Chortek@berliner.com>, Eddy Swynar <deswynar@xplornet.ca>
Subject: Re: Topband: Ground Radials
From: "Shoppa, Tim" <tshoppa@wmata.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 15:42:42 +0000
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I think my situation is very similar to yours. My antenna (a "130 foot doublet 
up 80 feet" when fed on 80 and up, but when I tie the feedline together at the 
base it becomes a "Marconi T for 160M transmit") comes down at a corner of the 
house. That corner of the house is surrounded on:

90 degrees by backyard

90 degrees by driveway

90 degrees by garage

90 degrees by house

What I do is run radials off in all directions.

In the 90 degree sector taken up by the garage the radials are laid across the 
garage floor, go out the garage windows, then across the driveway and yard.

In the 90 degree sector taken up by the driveway, the radials run across the 
top of the blacktop driveway.

In the 90 degree sector taken up by the house, the radials run across the 
basement ceiling, through the crawlspace ceiling, and then out the other side 
of the house to emerge and be buried through the rest of the yard

In the 90 degree sector taken up by the yard there are buried radials.

The garage and driveway radials are rolled up in summertime (although 
redeployed for summer stew).

In no direction do I have a quarter wavelength. The shortest radials to the 
edge of the property line are 30 feet, and the longest ones are about 80 feet. 
There are about 40 radials in all, a mix of copper and aluminum electric fence 
wire.

As to performance... I have compared my signal strengths with other east coast 
contest stations into EU and western US. So have the contest stations. I feel I 
am an "alligator" with regards to 160M performance right now, I have a great 
transmit signal, but need to work on my receive system. Right now I have a K9AY 
loop and a west facing pennant and feel I still have a long way to go, to get 
to some phased loops for certain important directions.

Tim N3QE

-----Original Message-----
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Chortek, 
Robert L
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 10:30 AM
To: Eddy Swynar
Cc: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Ground Radials

Thanks Eddy,

Rudy's work is excellent and I've studied much of it in detail!  

My question, in-artfully posed, related to the impact of the house on a ground 
radial system, not elevated vs . Ground radials.

All the best!

HNY

Bob AA6VB 

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> On Jan 7, 2014, at 7:26 AM, "Eddy Swynar" <deswynar@xplornet.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi All, 
> 
> I must admit that I've been only half-paying attention to the on-going 
> discussions of ground radials here, but I do submit herewith---for your 
> information & enlightenment---that VERY excellent series that was written-up 
> by N6LF, and which was referred to earlier by another poster...
> 
> It may be accessed by clicking here:
> 
> http://www.antennasbyn6lf.com/2009/12/series-of-qex-articles-on-ground-system-experiments.html
> 
> ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ
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