Ok Frank I will forward this to the Topband reflector.
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On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:56, donovanf@starpower.net wrote:
Hi Burny,
When you have a chance, please forward this email to the Topband
reflector. For some reason its spam filter is blocking emails from me!
tks
Frank
From: donovanf@starpower.net
To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 3:52:24 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Short receiving verticals question
Hi Doug,
A few notes about the short verticals in my 160M passive
receive array. I use them in my W8JI broadside-endfire
passive array described in detail on Tom's home page
and on W5ZN's home page.
Its important to understand that the loss in the radial system
of a 160M passive receive array is of no importance, but
variations in the base impedance of the verticals during
wet and dry weather could affect the pattern of the array.
You don't need many radials, but you do need "enough."
I use eight 65 foot radials under each vertical. Several of my
verticals are in wetlands that flood during wet weather and the
variation in ground conditions under the verticals is unusually
severe. I initially used four radials and found there was nearly
ten ohms change in the resistive component of the feed point
impedance between flooded conditions and extreme dry
ground conditions. Four additional radials solved that problem.
My radials are simply laid on the surface of the ground. While
the deer traffic rearranges the location of the radials, that
doesn't seem the affect the performance of the array. I use
stranded copper wire, solid wire would easily entrap the legs
of the deer.
Dozens of deer inhabit the field where my verticals are located.
I eliminated deer collisions with the umbrella wires by attaching
the ends of bottom ends of the wires to the top of seven foot
fence posts (through a porcelain insulator and short length of
light rope). I've never had a deer collision since.
While some users of short verticals install foundations, I've found
it completely unnecessary with guyed (e.g. top loaded) verticals.
I simply use a two foot length of one inch diameter rebar. The
vertical is attached to a 1.25 inch o.d. aluminum tube that simply
slips over the rebar. Rebar is very inexpensive and easy to install
an remove and especially convenient for temporary installations
like mine
73
Frank
W3LPL
From: "Doug Renwick" <ve5ra@sasktel.net>
To: "topband" <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 3:04:02 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Short receiving verticals question
I have used this same setup for my 4-square 160m receive array for years.
Since I have to take down and put up this array every spring/fall, I have to
re-tune each element for the 160m band. I have found that the base loading
does not have to be exact for the system to 'work'. Last year I decided to
make inductor substitution box for each element to easily tune each element
close to 1.830 MHz. The biggest problem with the top hat is deer catching
the wire/string and bending the element or some rodent eating the string.
It's amazing how forgiving aluminum tubing is as I can straighten it many
times without breaking. At the base I use a 2 ft ground rod and 4 short
radials. I found the use of the ground rod makes a large change in the
tuning of the element.
Doug
-----Original Message-----
Jon,
The reason I use the hats and do everything I do in the elements is
bandwidth. Even at my quiet rural location on the quietest hour of the
quietest day, almost any element of reasonable height will have more than
enough signal level. This is why I base load and use a large hat. While the
large hat tends to keep current more uniform throughout the element
independent of coil location, and while more uniform current increases
radiation resistance, that effect is meaningless to me. The entire goal for
me is bandwidth, or a stable SWR vs. frequency.
Bandwidth is also why I load the element with a series resistance for
matching, instead of a network. I want to "swamp out" or dilute the effects
of resonance, minimizing element phase shift vs. frequency change at the
element terminals and preventing drastic changes in element feedpoint
impedance from mutual coupling between elements.
The hat is actually the bulk of the loading, and sets the current
distribution. The coil just cancels reactance. Since it is a series network
with the inductor forming a series tank with the termination reactance, the
lower the reactance used (compared to termination resistance) the larger
bandwidth becomes. You want the loading coil to be terminated in the lowest
capacitive reactance possible, and that is at the antenna base.
Because voltage and current are out-of-phase above the coil, even with high
current, the impedance increases. This means the tradeoff in a bottom
inductance is increased voltage above the inductor. The antenna is more
"loss critical" above the coil for anything coupled via the electric field,
including a lossy dielectric.
This is a compromise of two things:
1.) Bandwidth
2.) Sensitivity to dielectrics around the element
Getting rid of the hat while the element is close to a tree does nothing but
bad things to both, but no one can say how much. The last resort for me
would be no "hats". Perhaps you can use T elements with loading wires away
from foliage that might change tuning or losses?
73 Tom
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