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From: "Yuri Blanarovich" <k3bu@optimum.net>
To: <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach"
Oh, here comes the "guru" again. :-)
Is that immature stuff really necessary?
Unnecessary debate? We are talking about experiences and RESULTS of
comparing normal in land "ground" effect vs. salt water beach or marshes.
We are commenting on the benefit of immediate proximity of salt water to
antenna performance, especially on low angles.
K3BU and others found out that it is not "feeling," but S-meter readings
in order of 10 - 20 dB (RX and TX!) in favor of salty beach. It is like
driving inside into the amplifier
Perhaps you can explain why VOA and others willingly gave up that 10-20 dB,
and how K3LR and W3LPL do so well inland, when they pay a 10-20 dB penalty
for communications?
One would think if there was a 10-20 db penalty, it would show on skimmers
and that W2GD would be unbeatable being on the water. I'm sure I'm missing
something. What is it I am missing?
Thanks, Tom
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