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Topband: Nesting of four squares

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Subject: Topband: Nesting of four squares
From: "David Raymond" <>
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:59:23 -0600
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For about a decade I used a K8UR/bent dipole four square array on 80m.  The 
array was supported from the 120' guy ring of my rotating tower and was a great 
performer.  Several years ago I took it down, mainly for some environmental (no 
not global warming) and logistical reasons, and decided to try a ground mounted 
four square array nested inside my 160m ground mounted four square array.  The 
ground mounted 160m array wire elements use standard spacing and are supported 
by a 190' tower using catenary ropes.  The 80m ground mounted elements are also 
wire construction and supported by catenary ropes.  Both arrays share a large, 
common ground radial system.

I had read in the Comtek hybrid instructions that nesting of 160m and 80m 
arrays was not a good approach but thought I might try it anyway.  While the 
array actually has some decent F/B (maybe 16 db or so)  it's a pathetic 
performer particularly on low angle signals.   Signals that are several S units 
in strength at stations within 200 or 300 miles of me are so weak as to be 
frequently non-copyable, or marginal copy at best.  I'm assuming the half wave 
160m elements in close proximity are the problem.  

I have not yet attempted yet to ground the 160m elements at the feed point in 
such a way that I could do a quick A/B test. . .i.e., with and without the 
elements grounded.  The array is about 900' feet away.  I do have some extra 
conductors I could use to pull up four relays to ground the 160m element when I 
want to operate 80m.  If I were to do this does anyone have a recommendation of 
a suitable sealed DC relay?  The voltage at the feed point will not be huge but 
the contacts would need to be fairly robust to take occasional lightning 

My question is this. . .will grounding the 160m elements when I want to operate 
80m really solve the problem or am I better off to return to the previously 
successful K8UR/bent dipole config that would be located on a distant tower 
(abt 800' away)???

Greetings of the season and 73 to all. . . Dave, W0FLS
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