| Check out DX Engineering.  They sell a vertical that uses 3 top hat 
wires.  Sloping back down is ok.  For 80/160 you need to stop the 80m 
energy with a coil/trap  My 80 uses a very fast taper and the top is 
only 3/8 inch or less so It cannot support a coil or t wires.  I 
probably should have planned that out better.  I was also going to try 
to phase two 80 elements over time but that will not happen any time soon. 
With all the metal in the yard the AY loop may not work very well.  
Waller Flag on the roof maybe.  I would love one. 
W0MU
On 12/19/2016 12:24 PM, Petronel Postolache wrote:
 I can try to put a 21-22m (68-70 foot) telescopic aluminium pole, made 
from pipes 2" to 1" diameter.
It will be a bit too long for 1/4 on 80m. I can put a T top hat or run 
an InvL, but probably need to slope it from 70 foot to about 40 foot. 
What will be better ? and will I be able to match/use the antenna on 
80m also ?
About K9AY, I understood that the loop is influenced by close metal 
objects, and the property is full of wire fences, vineyard rows and 
other "metal" structures. That's why i was thinking about using some 
flag/loop at 10 feet or more above ground. 
73, Petronel
YO8SEP
160 and 80 will be difficult. Can you get another vertical up about 60 
feet? You can top load that with a trap for 80 and have "t" wires at 
the top that also act as guy wires. You can also bottom load for 160 
and maybe that will be good enough for you. Radials whatever you can 
do will help.An Inverted L with about 50ft of vertical will work 
ok....If you can keep the horizontal end up in the air around the same 
height or more. It doesn't sound like you have any tall trees to work 
with.For receiving I have been very impressed with a K9AP loop. 25 ft 
up and about 15 feet out at the corners. It does not take up much 
space and you can reverse the direction easily with a relay. A flag or 
pennant will work too. You can never have enough rcv or xmit antenna! HI! 
Welcome to the club!
W0MU
 
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