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Re: Topband: Working dupes on a band

To: terry burge <ki7m@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Topband: Working dupes on a band
From: Larry via Topband <topband@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Larry <pacer99@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 15:55:23 -0700
List-post: <mailto:topband@contesting.com>
If you are a DX station please call me no matter how many times we have worked 
before. Its nice to know the band is open and that I am not calling CQ into a 
dark void.

Yes the RBN helps but there is no replacement for a real contact.

Larry
N7DD

Sent by Larry

On Feb 1, 2018, at 3:15 PM, terry burge <ki7m@comcast.net> wrote:

Hi guys,


I see nothing wrong with working someone you have had more than one contact 
with before. At least as long as there are not people trying to work an ATNO. 
But that is where my rub comes from. Can't tell you how many  times I hear the 
'locals' working the DX night after night and making it near impossible to get 
a break and try to work those week European signals. I've been hearing this 
strange effect on 80 mtr phone where the static seems to ride on their signals 
making it that much harder to copy them. I don't hear that on NA or SA signals. 
Then when you can 'maybe' copy a signal report there is the W station 'just 
wanting to say hello again tonight and your are stronger than last night'! DX 
work is hard enough without having to compete with old home week. Sometimes for 
parts of the county like Oregon where I'm at you maybe get only a few minutes 
of time where you might hear a DX station. And hearing another 'you're 59+10 
over' again from the east coast to some DX just sucks!


So it may seem like being mainly concerned with 160 meter CW it is different 
but I do wish you would consider what it was like the first time you tried to 
work that weak DX signal and getting blocked out by someone just wanting to say 
DX they are stronger tonight that they were last night. You've been there and 
should remember. If there are some trying to get that ATNO, give them a break. 


I say again, there is nothing wrong with making friends and renewing your ties. 
Just don't stop some other weaker station from getting there chance. Same as 
you wouldn't jump in on top of their QSO to say 'how's it going' while their 
trying to pass signal report. 


Terry

KI7M

> On February 1, 2018 at 1:52 PM JL PFIRMAN wrote:
> 
> 
>    My first post here,but read all the posts every day in fact look forward 
> to it! My feelings exactly Pete and might I add ,there are still gentlemen on 
> topband.This am at 1215z I was able to copy and have a good contact with 
> HL5IVL for an ATNO on 160.
>    There were 3 or 4 others calling and Kim came back with W3T? after a few 
> more times he copied my call correctly. I just wanted to thank those who 
> stood by until I compleated my QSO,thanks again fellow 160 ops. PS it was a 
> peak at my sunrise. Jim W3TO
> 
>>> On February 1, 2018 at 1:16 PM Pete Rimmel N8PR wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>        In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with working the same station 
>> on the
>>        same band more than once. We used to do it all the time to assure we 
>> had
>>        "insurance" contacts with someone we needed for DXCC or other award. 
>> Online
>>        logs and ClubLog has limited that need to some extent, but not 
>> everyone has
>>        a near-real time log we can check.
>> 
>>        Now, with the advent of the CQ Magazine's Annual DX Marathon, There 
>> is no
>>        choice but to work the same stations EVERY year to achieve the CQ 
>> zone and
>>        Country totals for the year long Marathon.
>> 
>>        I always hesitate to work the tough ones in a big pile-up if I have 
>> them
>>        confirmed for DXCC, because I do not want to take the opportunity 
>> away from
>>        someone who needs them for a new band country.
>> 
>>        HOWEVER, I do try to work them eventually, usually when the 
>> propagation
>>        favors my QTH, so I can add them to my totals for the year.
>> 
>>        If stations cannot understand that, they should get with the 
>> program... They
>>        could be in demand by everyone every year ! That should be something 
>> to
>>        look forward to - being in demand !
>> 
>>        I know this is different than thinking in the past, but that is the 
>> reality
>>        of today ! I already have 60+ DXCC on 160 in January 2018 alone 8^)
>> 
>>        73, PeteR N8PR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>        From: rayn6vr
>> 
>>        In my mind, the station you are talking about is very inconsiderate 
>> and
>>        lacking poor judgement.
>>        It is a common thing to call and say hi to someone on TB when the 
>> condx are
>>        slow or poor propagation.?
>>        If I were to get such an email, I would never work thay stn on any 
>> band, any
>>        mode, contest or not!
>>        73,Ray?N6VR?
>>        PS would like to know who it is so that I don't have the same 
>> experience.
>> 
>>        ...
>> 
>>        HI Roger,
>> 
>>        Thanks for the message, and interesting about the station you mention 
>> and
>>        his website saying "no dupes".? I was shocked when I was told not to 
>> work
>>        the European station again.? I just checked his clublog and in 6.5 
>> years I
>>        had worked him a total of 3 times which to me does not sound too 
>> excessive
>>        for the topband.
>> 
>>        It's like these guys think they are on some rare dx-pedition or 
>> something.
>>        I just don't get it.
>> 
>>        I have received a few very nice e-mails from European stations since 
>> my
>>        posting this morning telling me to call them anytime I hear them 
>> (which is
>>        very nice).
>> 
>>        73,
>>        Don
>> 
>>        On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Mark K3MSB wrote:
>> 
>>>>> Don
>>> 
>>>            I read your post with some interest and dismay as something 
>>> similar
>>>            happened to me last November
>>> 
>>>            160M Wasn?t producing anything at my SR so I dropped down to 80 
>>> CW.??? I
>>>            worked a few stations, one of which showed up as being worked a 
>>> few years
>>>            earlier on 80 CW.???? At that time I was logged into the low 
>>> band chat
>>>            room
>>>            and that same DX station was on and made a non-positive comment 
>>> that he
>>>            had
>>>            ?two repeats? this morning.??? I checked his website and he 
>>> clearly says
>>>            ?No Dupes?.
>>> 
>>>            A lot of times I do not have my PC up and running in the morning 
>>> before
>>>            work;? if I make a contact I just enter it as memo on my phone 
>>> and enter
>>>            it
>>>            into the actual log when I get back from work.?? Working these 
>>> ?No Dupe?
>>>            guys really doesn?t worry me per se,? but if I?m trying to work 
>>> them and
>>>            they decide not to respond as I?m a ?dupe?,? then it wastes my 
>>> time to do
>>>            so.
>>> 
>>>>> ? Last night there were some nice EU sigs on TB and I worked several of
>> 
>>>>> them (all ?repeats? but they didn?t seem to care).
>>> 
>>>            73 Mark K3MSB
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I personally will come on tonight about 0000Z . . . usually for about an
>>>            hour . . . and then again about 0300Z, to see if there's 
>>> stations further
>>>            west. (there seems no point in coming on at our Sunrise, around 
>>> 0730, as
>>>            there is actually NO peak in signal these days)
>>> 
>>>            Roger G3YRO
>>> 
>>>            _____
>>> 
>>>            From: Mark K3MSB [mailto:mark.k3msb@gmail.com 
>>> mailto:mark.k3msb@gmail.com ]
>>>            Subject: Re: Topband: 160m DX Activity Night
>>> 
>>> 
>>>            So what's the accepted practice of working stations again and 
>>> again on
>>>            160M?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>            If I've worked you once or twice in the past I won't answer your 
>>> CQ,
>>>            unless
>>>            you're CQing with no responses, but then probably not. I've 
>>> found in the
>>>            past that ops don't want repeat customers, they want fresh fish.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>            I've been doing other thingsin the shack and have heard EU 
>>> stations CQing
>>>            and CQing on TB but I don't answer as they're in my log quite a 
>>> few times.
>>>            Should I answer?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>            73 Mark K3MSB
>>> 
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