I think the topography here 4 square is out.
It's pretty steep on either side of my creek.
So I think that leaves Beverages and loops.
I think I will try to realign my NE Beverage to get 580' out of it.
 Since that would be 80 degrees beamwidth I might be able to move it more 
north but still cover Europe.
I'll be looking over Google Earth and NS6T's  azimuthal map and see how 
I can get this accomplished.
I'm glad I used my GPS to mark out all my antennas and land marks on my 
property...
I will probably revisit the DHDL and the VE3DO also.
 I keep looking at DXE NCC-2 and thinking that might magically help my 
situation.
Anyone have good stories about the NCC-2?
I have 3 short Beverages and K9AY loop.
Thanks guys 73
Fred KB4QZH
On 1/12/2021 8:42 PM, Grant Saviers wrote:
 The advice we were given from Hi-Z for a new 4 square was not more 
elevation difference between elements than ~4 feet. ~20% of element 
length.  The topography that happens between elements, eg spanning a 
creek, might not matter much given the simple single ground rod ground 
per element, but haven't tried that.
 Since a DHDL is elevated and is not ground connected it could be 
tilted in a model to see what happens.
Grant KZ1W
On 1/12/2021 13:07, Fred Moeves wrote:
 
Jim,
Thank you very much.
And I can confirm that even short (300') Beverages work on slopes.
 I do have one question please will loops like the VE3DO,DHDL and 
others work on a slope?
73
Fred KB4QZH
On 1/12/2021 3:45 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
 
On 1/12/2021 11:14 AM, Fred Moeves wrote:
 The property is on a slope that dumps into a creek then back up 
another slope.
I don't think a 4 square would work i these conditions.
I was surprised how well the short Beverages worked out.
  
 Both I and NI6T, a great engineer and topband op, have Beverages 
over VERY irregular sloped terrain, and they work just fine. Both of 
us are in dense redwood forests, where a 4-square is totally 
impractical. Mine are 500 ft and 550 ft, reversible using DX Eng 
hardware.
73, Jim K9YC
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