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Re: Topband: K9AY Loop Questions

To: "'Andrew Ikin'" <andrew.ikin@btconnect.com>, "'Don Kirk'" <wd8dsb@gmail.com>, "'W0MU Mike Fatchett'" <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: K9AY Loop Questions
From: <n4is@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 10:07:16 -0500
List-post: <mailto:topband@contesting.com>
Hi Andrew

He concept is very simple, you can phase 2 verticals. 3 verticals or 4  
vertical. See you got,  two verticals in phase give you a cardioid pattern, 
only one deep null on the back. Moving to 3 or 4 verticals gives you two deep 
side nulls plus some front back.

The SAL does not have side lobe nulls. The feed system does no change the fact 
that you have only two vertical wires as antenna, the inclined wire can be 
describe as two vectors one vertical and another horizontal. The two vertical 
vector and the center of the inclined wire define the pattern.

See the case of a DHDL, invented by George AA7JV, the vertical wires are far 
apart and the two inclined wires vertical vectors are half way each other. The 
DHDL has 4 verticals as the Waller Flag with two independent loops making 4 
verticals as well, but the gain  of the DHDL is 1-2 db below the  WF. Why?  the 
reflection between the two loops and the proximity of the two vertical vectors 
impact the DHDL pattern, as well  the two verticals wires on the SAL.

The SAL and the DHDL does not have side lobe nulls.

One Loaded loop or EWE, K9AY RDF is close to 9 db, the SAL and DHDL are 
slighted better RDF  10 db on EZENEC, but again on practice, measuring the 
diagram  of irradiation the SAL never achieved the extra 1 db in RDF. Two 
loaded loops has side lobe nulls and RDF is close to 12 db, very similar to 3 
element yagi azimuth diagram. Both antennas, the SAL and the K9AY have 
impressive deep null on the back, giving you a good front back. It is a null on 
the back , very different than front rear, that take the 180 degree energy 
between the front and the back.


You can find several stations using two DHDL in phase and it does work, but you 
wont find any array of two SAL because the phase is so critical that became 
impractical.

73's
JC
N4IS



73

Andrew Ikin

G8LUG


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