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Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 237, Issue 10

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Subject: Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 237, Issue 10
From: artandkaren@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:57:50 -0400
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No questions Bob.  I’m good with this.  If there is a manual please include it. 
 Did you want PayPal friends and family?

Art

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>   1. Working 'long' distances on 160m (Steve Ireland)
>   2. Re: Working 'long' distances on 160m: EU-NA (H. Rester)
>   3. Working 'long' distances on 160m (Roger Kennedy)
>   4. Re: Working 'long' distances on 160m (Grant Saviers)
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> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 15:12:59 +0800
> From: Steve Ireland <stevevk6vz@tpg.com.au>
> To: "topband@contesting.com" <topband@contesting.com>
> Subject: Topband: Working 'long' distances on 160m
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> G?day all
> 
> Some food for thought.
> 
> Like Roger G3YRO and others who were teenage UK radio amateurs in the 
> 1960s/1970s I grew up radio-wise on 160m. In those days, the holy grail was 
> to work across the Atlantic from UK/Europe.
> 
> Nowadays, living in Western Australia, it seems quite funny to think that 
> working from Europe to into the east coast of North America is something that 
> is still considered as real DX working on topband, as the distance is not 
> relatively long and there is no shortage of stations (in theory!) at either 
> end.  
> 
> Back in the late 1960s/early 1970s, UK stations (and others in Europe) could 
> only legally use 10W DC input, so working this distance was really difficult 
> and thus ?serious DX?. However, as the 1970s progressed, there were TL-922 
> linear amplifiers in use at various G-DXers (but of course, ahem, never on 
> 160m). 
> 
> Some years after this, 400W output became both legal and commonplace below 
> 1832KHz in the UK.
> 
> Anyhow, my point is that the distance from Europe/the UK to east coast USA is 
> relatively short ? from the UK?s Newcastle Upon Tyne (where Roger lives) to 
> New York is about 3,330 miles (about 5,360 km)  as the crow flies. 
> 
> This is a very similar distance from Perth, Western Australia to Auckland, 
> New Zealand ? but no serious Southern Hemisphere topband DXer would consider 
> a contact between VK6 and ZL1 as a DX contact. ?
> 
> On the other hand, Perth to Newcastle Upon Tyne is 9,056 miles (14,574 km) 
> while New York to Perth is 11,613 miles (18,690km). That to me is DX. But 
> Australia (Perth in particular) is a long way away from anywhere else.
> 
> All a question of perspective, history and where you live I guess.  ?
> 
> Vy 73
> 
> Steve, VK6VZ/G3ZZD/VY2LF
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:07:31 +0200
> From: "H. Rester" <harryrester@gmx.de>
> To: topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: Working 'long' distances on 160m: EU-NA
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> From the viewpoint of old Europe it?s probably "just" the atlantic
> ocean, what has to be passed.? Thinking, that there is basically nothing
> in between the two continents than waves, storms and a view ships and
> the signal will be then received at another part of the world, which we
> only knew for some hundred years (and since then with a cultural
> conection). I like working UA9 or UA0, JA from DL as well, but the skip
> over the atlantic ocean "feels" somehow different.? Sounds kind of
> psychologically.
> 
> 73, Harry DH1NBE
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 13:22:24 +0100
> From: "Roger Kennedy" <roger@wessexproductions.co.uk>
> To: <topband@contesting.com>
> Subject: Topband: Working 'long' distances on 160m
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> 
> I get what you're saying Steve . . .
> 
> But to me, anything over 2,000 miles I consider DX on 160m . . . considering
> most stations on Top Band struggle to work stations 1,000 miles away.
> 
> So I still consider it an achievement to work 'Across the Pond' on Top Band,
> which is why it still gives me a buzz!
> 
> But I get what you're saying . . . where you are in Australia, a similar
> distance is still in the same country . . . as it is for most Americans.
> Whereas working across to a different continent seems more of an
> achievement, psychologically at least.
> 
> What I HAVE noticed over the many decades I've been DX-ing on 160m, is that
> if you can work Across the Pond from England well on Top Band, you can
> pretty much guarantee to work anywhere in the world. (that's pretty much
> been my experience, anyway)
> 
> And as you know - in my case, that has always been with a Dipole antenna!
> 
> When would be a good time to work you Steve?
> 
> Roger G3YRO
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 07:25:11 -0700
> From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
> To: "topband@contesting.com" <topband@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: Topband: Working 'long' distances on 160m
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> My perspective as originally a "1" in Boston and now residing near 
> Seattle, is the nickname "suffering sevens" is well applied to my 
> friends here in the Pacific Northwest.
> 
> Simply, for the PNW, distance isn't that meaningful - it's path that 
> matters (and latitude).  What was easy in Boston at 42N is very hard in 
> Seattle at 48N re EU on both 80 and 160.  The path is mostly over land 
> or ice and usually thru or around the edge of the aurora zone.  Arrival 
> angles for 80 peak at less than 10*.  OTOH, JA's- yawn.  Almost exactly 
> the same 4790 miles either way, Seattle to Tokyo or London.
> 
> So when you hear a "suffering seven" in EU, reach out.  We also get a 
> chuckle when "the band is open" messages get posted from EU and what we 
> hear is only noise.
> 
> I did get TB DXCC, all from PNW since 2018, so am not complaining. Just 
> want some more ;) .
> 
> Grant KZ1W
> 
>> On 9/25/2022 00:12, Steve Ireland wrote:
>> G?day all
>> 
>> Some food for thought.
>> 
>> Like Roger G3YRO and others who were teenage UK radio amateurs in the 
>> 1960s/1970s I grew up radio-wise on 160m. In those days, the holy grail was 
>> to work across the Atlantic from UK/Europe.
>> 
>> Nowadays, living in Western Australia, it seems quite funny to think that 
>> working from Europe to into the east coast of North America is something 
>> that is still considered as real DX working on topband, as the distance is 
>> not relatively long and there is no shortage of stations (in theory!) at 
>> either end.
>> 
>> Back in the late 1960s/early 1970s, UK stations (and others in Europe) could 
>> only legally use 10W DC input, so working this distance was really difficult 
>> and thus ?serious DX?. However, as the 1970s progressed, there were TL-922 
>> linear amplifiers in use at various G-DXers (but of course, ahem, never on 
>> 160m).
>> 
>> Some years after this, 400W output became both legal and commonplace below 
>> 1832KHz in the UK.
>> 
>> Anyhow, my point is that the distance from Europe/the UK to east coast USA 
>> is relatively short ? from the UK?s Newcastle Upon Tyne (where Roger lives) 
>> to New York is about 3,330 miles (about 5,360 km)  as the crow flies.
>> 
>> This is a very similar distance from Perth, Western Australia to Auckland, 
>> New Zealand ? but no serious Southern Hemisphere topband DXer would consider 
>> a contact between VK6 and ZL1 as a DX contact. ?
>> 
>> On the other hand, Perth to Newcastle Upon Tyne is 9,056 miles (14,574 km) 
>> while New York to Perth is 11,613 miles (18,690km). That to me is DX. But 
>> Australia (Perth in particular) is a long way away from anywhere else.
>> 
>> All a question of perspective, history and where you live I guess.  ?
>> 
>> Vy 73
>> 
>> Steve, VK6VZ/G3ZZD/VY2LF
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>> 
>> 
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