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[TowerTalk] Re: TowerTalk Digest, Vol 26, Issue 44

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Subject: [TowerTalk] Re: TowerTalk Digest, Vol 26, Issue 44
From: joegps <joegps@snet.net>
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:40:02 -0800 (PST)
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Hi All,
On galvanized bolts the strongest that you can buy is
a grade two, and if remember correctly Rohn supplied
galvanized bolts.
Joe K1NCO
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>    1. FS:  Telex-Hygain TH-7DX $95. & 2 Others (doc)
>    2. Who Shot John (Buyer or Seller) Can we end
> this? (W0UCE)
>    3. Analog coaxial trunks? Not bathing, that's for
> sure...
>       (K7LXC@aol.com)
>    4. 1020 DOM MAST (N4BAA - JOSE CASTILLO)
>    5. Re: Soldering and checking PL-259 (Tom Rauch)
>    6. Re: Soldering and checking PL-259 (Floyd
> Sense)
>    7. Re: Soldering and checking PL-259 (Tom Rauch)
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> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:47:03 -0500
> From: doc <kd4e@verizon.net>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] FS:  Telex-Hygain TH-7DX $95. &
> 2 Others
> To: FLBOATANCHORS@yahoogroups.com,
> towertalk@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <420C0087.4030804@verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
> format=flowed
> 
> Giant beam with awesome performance (check the
> Telex-Hygain
> site or the eHam reviews) ... I am putting up a used
> F12 C3SS.
> 
> The TH-7DX comes with a manual copy and you will
> need to coil
> up some coax in place of the BN-86 balun.  Also,
> needs a
> couple of elements fixed.
> 
> Most of the beam is really clean, especially the
> coils and
> elements.  Boom and mast plate have some wear but
> are OK.
> 
> Telex-Hygain TH-7DX $95. picked up in West Central
> Florida.
> 
> Way to big to haul to Hamcation unless I tear it
> down to a
> zillion discrete pieces ... the former owner used
> pop rivets
> and RTV at every connection ... this was assembled
> to stay
> assembled no matter what!
> 
> I also have two smaller HF beams, Hygain Explorer 14
> w/original
> manual, the other I think is a Hygain TH3-MK4
> w/manual copy.
> I plan to bring them to Hamcation in Orlando
> Saturday.  Both
> are clearly marked for easy assembly.  I am asking
> $150. for
> the EXP-14 and $125. for the TH3.  $250. for both.
> 
> 73, doc kd4e
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:09:33 -0500
> From: "W0UCE" <W0UCE@nc.rr.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Who Shot John (Buyer or Seller)
> Can we end this?
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Message-ID:
> <011d01c50fde$baba1200$6600a8c0@BOYSCLUB>
> Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> My two cents.  
> 
> Nobody is perfect HOWEVER... we all can and should
> be honest and take
> responsibility for our actions.   Regardless of what
> transpired between
> seller and buyer; thankfully no one was hurt or
> killed because a product
> that was not suitable was sold or a product put to
> use by a buyer. 
> 
> We are all responsible for our individual actions
> and at some point will
> be held accountable. 
> 
> Let's move on to helping each other and exchanging
> information of value
> to fellow subscribers and our hobby.
> 
> 73
> 
> Jack
> 
>    WØUCE
> Homepage Website
>  www.w0uce.net
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf
> Of Doug Renwick
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 3:08 PM
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rohn wasn't perfect-- can
> we end this please?
> 
> John,
> 
> Please refrain from trying to turn speculation into
> fact. You obviously
> side with KQ2M.  You and I do not know the facts! 
> To pretend that you
> do, only adds 'wood to the fire'.  On one hand you
> say 'it is enough'
> and then you proceed to pick on K4IDC.  We know by
> his unnecessarily
> long and vicious email that KQ2M has problems. 
> Please keep your
> politics
> off Tower Talk.
> 
> Doug/VA5DX
> 
> 
> 
> kk9a@arrl.net wrote:
> 
> > I agree that since this thread started several
> months ago it is enough
> (or
> > enuf, as many spell it) on the subject.   I
> disagree that this does
> not
> > belong on towertalk, however the name calling
> certainly does not
> belong
> > here.   If a vendor offers poor service or worse
> yet poor quality we
> should
> > be informed.   Obviously, KQ2M is pretty upset and
> this could easily
> be
> > resolved  if  K4IDC (ex KB4IDC) would simply
> accept the return of
> > merchandise.  If it's true that KQ2M expected to
> get Rohn torque bars
> and
> > hardware and instead got something fabricated by
> K4IDC  using lesser
> quality
> > hardware, this is fraud.  A number of people seem
> happy with K4IDC's
> > products, however it's possible that they did not
> notice grade 2 bolts
> > instead of Rohn spec grade 5 and perhaps didn't
> expect Rohn brackets.
> Since
> > this is a safety related item, it should
> definitely be brought to
> everyone's
> > attention.  If you choose to purchase from K4IDC ,
> great, just be sure
> you
> > know exactly what you are buying.
> > 
> > 73,
> > John KK9A
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
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> Towers", "Wireless
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:16:13 -0500
> From: K7LXC@aol.com
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Analog coaxial trunks? Not
> bathing, that's for
>       sure...
> To: jimlux@earthlink.net, towertalk@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <364E3822.7E524F9B.0000DB5D@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Lux" <jimlux@earthlink.net>
> 
> > In the cable TV world, they tend to use dBmV (into
> 75 ohms, presumably),
> > but in any case losses should work the same
> regardless, a typical path
> from
> > "mainline cable" appears to be something like 26
> dB for the tap, 2dB for
> > the drop, 6dB for inhouse cable and splitters, so
> 34dB from "main wire" to
> > the -40 odd at the set.(I seem to recall something
> like -33 dBm
> corresponds
> > to +15dBmV, which is a typical level). Figure at
> least zero, and then
> > they'd add some margin, so they're probably
> running +10 dBm (per carrier)
> > or several watts down the wire with all 100+
> channels...
> 
> >  Generally I think the carrier levels on analog
> coaxial trunks are
> set at something like +33dBmV/carrier (~-15dBm).
> 
> Holy leaky coax, Batman! What the heck does that
> have to do with towers and HF antenna construction
> projects? Please QSY to the RF engineers reflector
> and let us mere mortals get back to antenna and
> erection topics. Thank you. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve    K7LXC
> TT ADMIN
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:23:09 -0500
> From: N4BAA - JOSE CASTILLO <n4baa@cox.net>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] 1020 DOM MAST
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <420BC2AD.3050401@cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
> format=flowed
> 
> Would appreciate any comments on 2" OD 1020 DOM mast
> material.
> 
> I am planning on putting a FORCE 12 4BA 10 feet over
> a 5 ele
> 20 METER monobander on a 40 foot boom.
> 
> I will need 18 feet of 2" OD mast.  8 feet is in the
> tower 
> with two thrust bearings...and 10 feet outside the
> tower.
> 
> Your comments are very much solicited.
> 
> 73's
> 
> Jose Castillo
> N4BAA and KG4SB
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:54:19 -0500
> From: "Tom Rauch" <w8ji@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Soldering and checking
> PL-259
> To: "Daniel Hileman" <n9wx_dan@yahoo.com>,
> <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Message-ID:
> <001401c51028$09cb93c0$6501a8c0@akorn.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> > First off, I want to thank everyone for all the
> great
> > suggestions and comments I've received with
> previous
> > questions. Ok, here's another for you. I'm getting
> > ready for various antenna projects and tower work
> this
> > Spring/Summer, I need to know what to look for a
> how
> > to check my soldering job on PL-259's
> 
> The  way I check a PL259 is with traditional ohm
> reading and
> applying high voltage between the center pin and
> shield and
> check voltage breakdown. Any stray strands or
> deformed
> insulation shows up very well this way.
> 
> Typically the PL259's I test break down at more than
> 6kV
> peak voltage by arcing across the pin to shell gap
> OUTSIDE
> the connector body. A typical N fails around 3kV,
> again with
> an external arc.
> 
> 73 Tom
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:50:09 -0500
> From: "Floyd Sense" <fsense@copper.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Soldering and checking
> PL-259
> To: "Tom Rauch" <w8ji@contesting.com>,
> <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <003601c51038$3909e550$97239904@DEN>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
>       reply-type=original
> 
> Tom - what sort of high voltage source do you use
> for this testing?  I see a 
> few hi-pot testers on ebay from time to time and
> wonder what would be 
> adequate for testing vacuum caps and other things
> such as the connectors.
> 
> K8AC
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Rauch" <w8ji@contesting.com>
> To: "Daniel Hileman" <n9wx_dan@yahoo.com>;
> <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Soldering and checking
> PL-259
> 
> 
> >> First off, I want to thank everyone for all the
> great
> >> suggestions and comments I've received with
> previous
> >> questions. Ok, here's another for you. I'm
> getting
> >> ready for various antenna projects and tower work
> this
> >> Spring/Summer, I need to know what to look for a
> how
> >> to check my soldering job on PL-259's
> >
> > The  way I check a PL259 is with traditional ohm
> reading and
> > applying high voltage between the center pin and
> shield and
> > check voltage breakdown. Any stray strands or
> deformed
> > insulation shows up very well this way.
> >
> > Typically the PL259's I test break down at more
> than 6kV
> > peak voltage by arcing across the pin to shell gap
> OUTSIDE
> > the connector body. A typical N fails around 3kV,
> again with
> > an external arc.
> >
> > 73 Tom
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > See: http://www.mscomputer.com  for "Self
> Supporting Towers", "Wireless 
> > Weather Stations", and lot's more.  Call Toll
> Free, 1-800-333-9041 with 
> > any questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
> >
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:23:19 -0500
> From: "Tom Rauch" <w8ji@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Soldering and checking
> PL-259
> To: "Floyd Sense" <fsense@copper.net>,
> <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Message-ID:
> <005d01c51045$3c131ac0$6501a8c0@akorn.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> 
> > Tom - what sort of high voltage source do you use
> for this
> testing?  I see a
> > few hi-pot testers on ebay from time to time and
> wonder
> what would be
> > adequate for testing vacuum caps and other things
> such as
> the connectors.
> 
> While I have hi-pot testers, I often use a small
> surplus 12
> volt to 18kV power supply originally used for
> copiers. I
> just vary the input voltage.
> 
> I use it because it can run from nicads.
> 
> Almost any low current HV supply will do. Hi-pots
> work fine.
> 
> 73 Tom
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> End of TowerTalk Digest, Vol 26, Issue 44
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