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Re: [TowerTalk] 2" OD pipe.. again

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 2" OD pipe.. again
From: "Gene Fuller" <w2lu@rochester.rr.com>
Reply-to: "Tower and HF antenna construction topics." <towertalk@contesting.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:26:13 -0400
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Depending on where you live, to be really safe, add another0.5 " or so to 
the mast diameter for ice, although you're probably not likely to get ice 
and high wind at the same time.
I've had "good  luck" (after lots of calculation) with 2"dia x 0.25 wall 
seemless steel tubing, with large LP a foot or two above the top thrust 
bearing.
Gene / W2LU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Thomson" <Jim.thom@telus.net>
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Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:29 AM
Subject: [TowerTalk] 2" OD pipe.. again


> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:12:25 -0400
> From: "Roger (K8RI)" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 2" O.D. Pipe???
>
>
> Stan Stockton wrote:
>> Just my opinion....  1.5 inch schedule 40 may be fine if you have some
>> big tribander or 35 foot monobnder and it is mounted right above the
>> top bearing.  If you are stacking antennas on the mast, forget it.
> http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/Tower29.htm shows a tribander at
> 100', 7L 6-meter Yagi at 115 and a 14' cross boom at 130' holding a pair
> of 11L on 440 and pair of 12L 144.  That all on 2" schedule 40 but it's
> structural steel.  It's a bit flexible with the top looking like a blue
> gill rod that just tied into a big Bass, but it's withstood over 70 mph
> winds and many occasions.
>
> ##  sched 40  pipe doesn't come in a 2.0"  OD.   It's is 1.9" OD,
> with a .145" wall.
>
> ##  You mean to tell us that you have  30' [thirty feet]  of mast,
> sticking out the top of the tower ???    Do you ever get ice...
> or ice  + wind ?
>
>
>
>
> I'm going to a heavier wall DOM so it doesn't beat the antennas to
> death, but strength wise it seems to have been more than sufficient.
> OTOH it's not ordinary schedule 40 pipe which is relatively soft and
> easily bent.
>
> ## Regular sched 40 pipe  would have been toast, long b4 now.
>
> ##  1026 DOM  comes in 60 ksi,  to as high as 90 ksi.
>
> ##  IMO... for ants  mounted way up a mast, you had better [A]  run the
> numbers through the spread sheet.. and [B]  make sure the mast you buy
> has paper work with it.   Inform your  steel supplier, that it's a legal 
> liability
> issue... and guess who's liable?     As  far as wind speeds  go.... unless 
> you
> have a wireless   wind speed indicator, at the top of the tower,  you are 
> really
> guessing.   If it's  56 mph at grnd level,  it could easily be 70 mph at 
> the
> top of the tower.   Talk to anybody who has a wireless wind speed 
> indicator
> at both the top of the tower.. and also at the  15' level.  You will get 
> an
> earful.
>
> ##  all of this mast issue is really  a no- brainer.  Stuff the numbers 
> into the
> spread sheet, and see what spits out.
> http://thebont.com/spreadsheets/AnalysisOfAntennaMastStrength.htm
>
> ##  estimate the max wind speed gusts  for your area.... then add a MIN
> of 25% " to the speed   [and pref a lot higher... like 30-50%].  Then 
> procure
> the correct mast.   These 1 in a 100 yr wind storms  are too plentiful 
> these days
> and ditto with ice storms, seismic events, and heavy rains.  WX patterns 
> are
> changing.. for the worse.  OK, so you buy a mast that's overkill, so what?
> Ham's spend $12K on a xcvr, without blinking an eye.  When you  get the
> crane bill, to remove the destroyed ant's, coax, etc... the pricey mast
> will look cheap.
>
>
> later....... Jim   VE7RF
>
>
>
>>
>>
>
> 73
>
> Roger (K8RI)
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