Congratulations, Hans!
Perhaps after you have your tower up, you'll share your winning strategy?
I'm only in day 10... certainly uncertainty awaits!
73,
Mickey N4MB
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:45 PM, <hanslg@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I had a volunteer helping me. Didn't cost me a penny. I believe that if we
> would have to continue further he might have asked. Well, I received my
> permit TODAY 155 days after I applied for it. It was suppose to take maximum
> 100 days but bureaucrats know well how to make life miserable. I have to
> wait to put the tower up next years.
>
> 73 de Hans - N2JFS
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Jairam <rjairam@gmail.com>
> To: hanslg@aol.com
> Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
> Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:41 am
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd: HELP WITH TOWER PERMITNG IN LAS VEGAS, NEVADA
>
>
> Bear in mind that the ARRL volunteer counsel program does not mean
> that the attorney will take your case on a volunteer or pro bono
> basis. You still have to pay their fee.
>
> What ARRL will do for free is give you guidance on how to proceed and
> if there has been a similar case in your state/town they can help you
> with that. But what they will tell you is pretty much what is in the
> antenna zoning book.
>
> But really, if you haven't even reached out to the city's building
> department, going to ARRL is kind of jumping the gun. You need to
> talk to your city FIRST and when they say no THEN you can go lawyer
> up. Who knows, they may very well say yes...
>
> Ryan, N2RJ
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:03 AM, <hanslg@aol.com> wrote:
> > Beside Mickey's correct suggestions I want to add; contact ARRL. I am
> also in
> the middle of a similar "discussion" and it is amazing how uneducated
> zoning
> people can be. ARRL provided me with an excellent attorney that know his
> field
> and represented me during the hearing.
> >
> > Even if it possible you can do it yourself, it is a lot better to have
> somebody experienced at your side.
> >
> > Hans - N2JFS
> >
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> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com>
> > To: JOHNNY BABCOCK <kilosevenbravoindiagolf@gmail.com>
> > Cc: TOWERTALK@contesting.com
> > Sent: Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:09 pm
> > Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HELP WITH TOWER PERMITNG IN LAS VEGAS, NEVADA
> >
> >
> > Johnny,
> >
> > The State of Florida has codified PRB-1 as well. Additionally, there is a
> > City statute that specifically says that height restrictions in my zoning
> > area are not applicable to amateur radio masts and towers.
> >
> > I am not an attorney, this is not legal advice. I'd suggest you read
> > everything you can about the law and how some of the court cases have
> been
> > handled in your region before buying a tower.
> >
> > I'm going through this process with the City of Fort Lauderdale, FL. The
> > permit was rejected by zoning because there's a 35 foot limitation in my
> > zoning district. After a polite and pleasant conversation with our chief
> of
> > zoning he agreed to discuss the height limitation with the City
> Attorney's
> > office and get back to me. As he requested, I sent him copies of the
> Florida
> > statute, PRB-1 and RM-8763 with the appropriate rulings highlighted.
> >
> > That's where it stands. During our conversation, the city zoning official
> > made it clear that his personal feelings were to deny the application
> > because of the potential for public complaint, but if the law required
> him
> > to issue a permit, he would do so. He also told me that he was not aware
> of
> > ANY permits issued for amateur radio structures in this city, with a
> > population of about 200,000! Don't go to the city building department
> > thinking that there is anyone there who has any idea about these issues!
> It
> > will be up to you to politely and gently introduce your project, educate
> the
> > building department and to sell your project. I'm still in the selling
> > phase, hoping against, but prepared to litigate if necessary. I like
> where I
> > live and I don't want to move to a rural area to enjoy amateur radio.
> > Besides, I would really miss my wife.
> >
> > I spent about 3 months putting together a permit package and applying to
> the
> > city. Including drawings and engineering documentation, the application
> > package was 50 or so pages.
> >
> > I followed the guidelines outlined in the publication, *Antenna Zoning
> for
> > the Radio Amateur *by Fred Hopengarten, K1VR. Fred's book is currently
> out
> > of print, but I wrote to him and he suggested that a new edition will be
> out
> > shortly. I'm using a copy lent to me by a local ham (thanks again, Todd!)
> > who has successfully navigated these waters in a nearby city.
> >
> > That's the latest on my antenna permit application. If you're up for the
> > challenge, I'd suggest you spend a few hours reading everything on Fred
> > Hopengarten's web site: http://www.antennazoning.com!
> >
> > (I don't know Fred other than through a single email exchange, but, in my
> > limited experience, his book is spot-on with advice and tactics, no
> matter
> > where you live!)
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Mickey, N4MB
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:04 PM, JOHNNY BABCOCK <
> > kilosevenbravoindiagolf@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> HI,
> >>
> >> DOES ANY ONE HAVE ANY RECENT INFORMATION ON INSTALLING A TOWER WITHIN
> THE
> >> CITY OF LAS VEGAS ?
> >>
> >> WHAT TYPES OF TOWERS ARE APPROVED, HEIGHTS, WIND LOADS, COSTS FOR
> PERMITS.
> >>
> >> POTENTIAL MINEFEILDS.
> >>
> >> THANK YOU IN ADVANCE,
> >>
> >> JOHN
> >> K7BIG
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> > Fort Lauderdale, FL
> > “Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will understand. Involve me,
> and
> > I will learn.” Teton Lakota, American Indian Saying.
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