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Subject: [TowerTalk] Tune 160/80 Vertical
From: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:51:05 -0800
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From: w3oa@roadrunner.com [mailto:w3oa@roadrunner.com] 
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 11:36 AM
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Subject: Tune 160/80 Vertical

I'm helping a friend who has an 80 meter 1/4 wave vertical.  At the top, he has 
a 160 meter trap then a wire extending horizontally for 160 meters.  It is 
therefore an inverted L on 160.

The SWR on 80 is good and can be adjusted nicely by changing the length of the 
vertical component.  160 meters, however is somewhat of a problem.

The minimum SWR he can achieve on 160 is about 1.7:1.  Of course the object 
here is to lower the SWR on 160.   Here are some readings we took with my MFJ 
-269 antenna analyzer in case this helps anyone.

1.770, Rs 16, Xs 0, SWR 3:1
1.800, Rs 27, Xs 15, SWR 2:1
1.825, Rs 45, Xs 26, SWR 1.7:1
1.85, Rs 79, Xs 31, SWR 1.9:1
1.875, Rs 128, Xs 2, SWR 2.5:1

Can anyone point us in the right direction to find a solution?

Thanks,

Dick, W3OA

##  Install  a  capacitor in series with the feedpoint of the vertical, right 
at the base. Make the horizontal wire long enough, so the resistive component 
is  50-60 ohms on the freq you are interested in.  At that
point you will have some XL.   Then tweak the cap  so the Xc of the cap  will 
cancel out the XL  on 160m.  Presto, flat swr on 160m.    On 80m, the cap  has 
to be shorted out.  No big deal with a suitable spst relay. 
A buddy used a motor driven  2500 pf cap... and a 100' tall  vertical, with an 
inverted vee type capacity hat on top.   This entire mess  was  suspended on a 
catenary line, between 2 x trees.  It's flat swr across the entire 200 khz. 
Note, on some vac caps, they have a feature on em, whereby when the cap is 
fully meshed, and then some, the plates  will  short out.   This saves you 
having to install a relay across the cap, in cases where you want it
shorted out.... as in your dual band set up. 

##  a padded air variable and relay will  also work, with the provisio that the 
paralleled  padder's  don't drift about. 

Later... Jim   VE7RF  


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