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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] tower height repost
From: K8RI <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:37:48 -0400
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On 10/14/2012 6:16 PM, Brian Alsop wrote:
I don't know if HTTA has any arrival angle data for 6M.  It's
predecessor YTAD did not.

Without arrival angle data how would you know some antenna height change
is good, bad or indifferent.

I seem to recall Es prop (at least for 1 hop) is relatively high angle.
If this is what one is after, then lowering rather than raising the
antenna is a better idea.   Many 6M ops find 20-25' works pretty well.

I doubt over the long haul (time not distance) you would see very little difference between 40 and 50 feet, depending on your surrounding terrain.

I've found 115 feet for my 7L C3i to be outstanding for Es, F, and, Au, BUT Es can be most any thing. Typically Es occurs anywhere between 55 and 100 miles of altitude (IE lower than F). The clouds may be close or right on the radio horizon. It may be single or multi hop. So for 6-meters most of us go for what ever is handy because Es can be anything from very low angle to very high angle. Now if you have the property and checkbook, multi stacks are popular because you can select the best angle. One ham near here had 3 or 4 stacked pair on which he could select any combination from a single pair to all.

I have neither the real estate or checkbook for an installation like that.

BTW I went for 115 feet as it was the only open spot on the tower.

73

Roger (K8RI)



73 de Brian/K3KO


On 10/14/2012 21:07, Bob K6UJ wrote:
I think it will depend on your surrounding terrain.  Are you on a hill
with a clear shot in all directions ?
I have hills NW of me and going from 40 to 50 feet makes a big
difference.  I ran the HTTA program on the
CD in the latest ARRL antenna handbook and it was very enlightening to
see how different heights affected
my antenna pattern.  I would recommend running HFTA and see what it
tells you for your site.  That is the
intended purpose of the program and it works very well.

73,
Bob
K6UJ



On Oct 14, 2012, at 11:09 AM, mikflathead@aol.com wrote:



I am getting ready to put up a Universal Tower 50 foot aluminum
tower. I live at
a very high elevation. It will have a 7 element KLM 6 meter beam and
a 16LBX for
2 meters. Will I see any difference between 40 foot and 50 foot
height? It is
difficult to lower the tower with the trees I have in the yard.
Thanks Mike
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