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Re: [TowerTalk] One more dipole-balun question

To: Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] One more dipole-balun question
From: Chris <EZRhino@fastmovers.biz>
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:04:16 -0600
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Jim.

What is the "right choice" for an impedance transformer core (for a 4;1, 9:1 
etc. )?  What mix?

Chris
KF7P







On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Jim Lux wrote:

> On 6/3/13 6:32 AM, John Geiger (AF5CC) wrote:
>> I had previously said that I had a G5RV type dipole that I made
>> myself.  After repairing it today following a run in with a tree
>> branch last Wednesday, I realize that it isn't quite that.  It is
>> more of an "off center fed dipole". It isn't the classic "Windom off
>> center fed" where one leg is twice as long as the onther.  On my
>> antenna one leg is approximately 50 feet long, and the other leg is
>> around 60 to 65 feet.  It is fed with 300 ohm radio shack twin
>> lead-about a 25 foot run, which goes to a 4:1 voltage balun, and then
>> to 75ohm RG-11 coax to the shack.
>> 
>> Given this new revelation, that it is a off center fed dipole, what
>> is now the best balun for the twin lead to coax junction?  I am
>> assuming that it isn't quite a balanced antenna, since the legs
>> aren't equal, so how crucial does a balanced to unbalanced (coax
>> feedline) transformer become?  My main interest is trying to keep the
>> RF off of the coax shield, although I haven't had any real problems
>> with RFI in the shack.
>> 
> 
> You've got two separate issues going on here: one is that an OCF dipole has a 
> feedpoint impedance that's higher than a center fed.  So you probably want 
> some sort of transformer.  You'd have to model your specific lengths and 
> feedpoint position at the frequencies you operate at to find what ratio you 
> want.  4:1 and 9:1 are common, because the first is a 2:1 turns ratio 
> transformer, the second is 3 turns on the High Z side and 1 turn on the Low Z 
> side.
> 
> Do you have a way to measure the antenna Z?
> 
> The other is that the asymmetric antenna will tend to induce currents on the 
> ouside of the feedline (or common mode currents on a balanced line).  As a 
> practical matter, most symmetric dipoles have this problem too: rare is the 
> installation in the middle of a perfectly open field for 100s of meters on 
> every side with the feedline perfectly symmetric to the dipole elements on a 
> windless day.
> 
> The common mode/outside the coax current issue has an easy fix: choke it by 
> making a lossy inductor with the right cores (31 mix is favored for this 
> application).
> 
> 
> you do NOT want to use the same kind of core for the transformer as for the 
> RF choke.  The RF choke core should be one that shows a lot of loss: the 
> exact wrong choice for the transformer core.
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