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To: Tony <Rogozinski@telegraphy.com>, TowerTalk@contesting.com
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From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 21:24:59 -0700
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If the roof is metal than ground to it and no radials are needed. If it is composite or concrete then a few feet should be ok and no radial or the antenna should be grounded to anything. (except an RF choke to building ground for static). I encourage you to check out the extensive work on elevated radials by Rudy Severns N6LF see antennasbyn6lf.com. You can probably find some compromise lengths to cover more than one band, otherwise use a tuned set of 4 for each band of interest, although 2 (like a dipole) yield a symmetrical pattern in azimuth within 1 db. Insulated wire makes little difference, except it might last longer in corrosive atmospheres.

EZNEC would also be a good investment. Drooping radials 30 degrees can change the pattern a bit and get the Z closer to 50 ohms, otherwise a 50::25 ohm balun might be needed.

I'm not a fan of the 43' vertical (I had one as a GOTA when I moved). The pattern is too elevated on higher bands. A good trap vertical or a HyTower (terrific) might be a better choice. Even better would be a 3 band fan dipole, given the height of the roof. If you have the space, an 80/40/20 would also work ok on 15 (40/20 would also). Or put two up orthogonal to each other, two separate feed lines and good chokes at the feedpoint since stuff in/on the roof/building will almost certainly unbalance the antenna.

Again, with EZNEC (or 4nec2) you will learn a lot about what works and what doesn't.

Grant  KZ1W


On 8/5/2014 10:54 AM, Tony Rogozinski wrote:



I want to put up a Zero-Five 43 foot vertical on the roof of the apartment
building where I live here in Colombia.  I'm on the top floor - only 6
floors - and will obviously use elevated radials.  The question is:

Would it be better to mount the antenna say 3 or 4 feet above the highest
part of the building ie the stairwell to the roof or use a pipe and raise
it to perhaps 20 feet above that level?

Raising it of course would put the antenna and radials much higher above the
building structure and all the rebar/other metal in the structure and in
my mind would be the best alternative.........but????

It has also been suggested to use insulated wire for the radials - why?

Thanks for any comments.


                Tony  W4OI/HK1AR
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