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Re: [TowerTalk] Grounding/Bonding Lessons Learned

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Grounding/Bonding Lessons Learned
From: "Keith Dutson" <kdutson@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 11:01:51 -0500
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I used to make black powder many years ago and can back up your statements.
Modern black powder burns much faster,  It burns instantly.  Pyrodex burns
much slower, much like the "traditional" powder I used to make.

73, Keith NM5G

-----Original Message-----
From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Patrick Greenlee
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 10:52 AM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Grounding/Bonding Lessons Learned

In the olden days (30-40 years ago) you walked into a gun store and bought
black powder in one lb cans in whatever grain size (typically 2-3 f and up
to 5f.  Now there is a modern substitute which is used in the same
quantities but is not "REAL" black powder and doesn't have a recipe for
making it which is 75% saltpeter (potassium nitrate), 15% charcoal, AND 10%
sulfur (there are other variations in common use by DIY folks.)

For the purpose of igniting CadWeld shots you can leave out the sulfur
(stinks a lot) and use 100 parts saltpeter and 24 parts charcoal. You want
fine powder 4f or 5f.  Do not put the ingredients together in a mortar and
pestle or other grinding arrangement.  You can grind the ingredients
separately with no worries and then mix them but do  not grind the mixture
if you want to keep your eyes, fingers, etc in good working order.

I have never used Pyrodex black powder substitute (available at Walmart
stores with gun counters and other vendors) so am not qualified to comment
on the efficacy of using Pyrodex for igniting anything much less Cadweld
shots.

Patrick   NJ5G

On 3/30/2015 9:52 AM, Keith Dutson wrote:
> Can says black powder for black powder firearms., imported from Brazil 
> to Arlington, Texas.  I could find no reference to Pyrodex.  4f is 
> used in the flash pan, not the muzzle.  I am sure it is the real thing 
> based on instant ignition and burn time.
>
> 73, Keith NM5G
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
> Patrick Greenlee
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 6:57 AM
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Grounding/Bonding Lessons Learned
>
> Cool, clever substitute.  Pyrodex or the real thing?  I still have 
> part of a one pound can of real 4F.
>
> On 3/29/2015 8:37 PM, Keith Dutson wrote:
>
> Patrick   NJ5G
>> Thanks for the great tip.  I will be doing 12 this summer, and just 
>> happen to have a pound of Elephant FFFFg.
>>
>> 73, Keith NM5G
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf 
>> Of RMorris
>> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 12:17 PM
>> Cc: Towertalk Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Grounding/Bonding Lessons Learned
>>
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Mike Fahmie via TowerTalk wrote:
>>
>>> I had a similar problem igniting a Cadweld that had lost its 
>>> ignition
>> powder.
>>
>> Needing to do 99, on a damp day, a little 2F black powder from the 
>> flintlock shooting kit got them to work every time.
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