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Re: [TowerTalk] [Bulk] Re: Thrust Bearing

To: Gary - AB9M <glhuber@msn.com>, towertalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [Bulk] Re: Thrust Bearing
From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 10:00:14 -0700
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I've not had good service from the TB series and now use a UHMW block bored to the mast diameter plus about 0.040" as a radial bearing or the block plus a collar with a stainless disk on the bottom as a combo radial and thrust bearing. Black UHMW is reasonably UV resistant and is an excellent low speed bearing material. Never rusts, never needs grease, or other maintenance and lasts a long time. A 6x6x1.5" black UHMW block costs $21 from McMaster.

The pillow block/flange bearings that use radial ball bearings are another choice which do work, but should be protected from water and greased periodically. They are primarily designed for radial loads but have a thrust capacity of about 15% of the maximum static radial load. For a 6211 ball bearing which is a size close to 2" bore the maximum static radial load is 6550#, so a 1000# thrust load won't overload the bearing.

However, the small oscillating loads from an antenna sitting unused and moving slightly in the wind will squeeze oil out of the ball/race contact area. Then fretting corrosion will likely cause premature bearing failure even in a weather protected and regularly greased bearing. The Ham-V and TT rotators I've taken apart all show ball dimples in the races from this. Add some water and the process is greatly accelerated.

Grant KZ1W

On 6/9/2015 19:50 PM, Gary - AB9M wrote:
The reality is that a "thrust bearing" like the ones sold by Rohn really don't need lubrication for one RPM and typical downward antenna loads. As long as there is a downward load on a "dry" TB3 or TB4 and it is rotated periodically, the balls will stay round enough and the upper and lower races will stay clean enough to provide years of service. Its when you add grease, dirt, and water, then park the rotor / beam at one heading for months that you shorten the life or destroy a Rohn type thrust bearing.

You can use more expensive greased trust bearings designed for other applications, but they typically need additional protection from the elements in order to prevent premature failures. If you are providing radial force bearing protection, that can be accomplished with a hard wood split board.

73 & DX,

Gary - AB9M

-----Original Message----- From: Wilson
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2015 1:43 PM
To: towertalk
Subject: [TowerTalk] Thrust Bearing

There are lots of kinds of thrust bearings, including the ones on the front wheels of cars, which are for a combination thrust/radial loads. The pillow blocks with ball bearings are for minimal thrust loads and will wear rapidly.

http://www.bearingson.com/Category/4-bolt_flanges/cast_iron_4-bolt_flanges/ucf_series/default.asp?page=2&SortType=0


Here are some true thrust bearings:
http://www.timken.com/en-Us/products/bearings/productlist/roller/thrust/Cylindrical/Pages/TP.aspx#

You can quickly recognize a ball thrust bearing, at least many of them, because their outer circumference is split, so you see the balls when you look in radially. Think of two big washers, with balls between, like the ball race in your rotator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrust_bearing

I think the term “thrust bearing” is widely misused. Thrust is parallel to the axis of the mast. A thrust bearing carries the weight of the mast and antenna. Many top bearings are just for radial force, the side loads caused by wind, unbalance.

WL
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