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Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd: weather station on tower?

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd: weather station on tower?
From: "Don W7WLL" <w7wll@arrl.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 08:19:41 -0700
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This should help re NWS wx sensor siting. It is part of a message I received from the then NWS Observation Program Team Leader. The NWS Directive does not address anemometer siting but the PLT goes on to address this. Where NWS or Oregon State Dept of Transportation has established sites in this state it appears the significant majority of the anemometers are mounted around the 10 M mark on top of small towers, typically in open exposed areas with minimal nearby obstructions.

Don W7WLL

" The NWS directive for siting equipment is NWSI 10-1302. The link below should take you to it, or you can do a Google search to find it.

   http://www.nws.noaa.gov/directives/sym/pd01013002curr.pdf

The ideal spot to put weather equipment is in the middle of a flat field, far from buildings, trees or pavement. Since this is unrealistic in almost all situations, a compromise is usually necessary. The National Weather service does not allow temperature and rain sensors on any rooftop. The temperature sensor needs to be above a "natural" surface like grass or dirt. It should be 4 to 6 feet above the ground and well away from trees and buildings. My main concern is having a good airflow around the instrument that is as free from disruptions as possible.

Rain gauges also can not be on a roof. Take the height of any obstructions, double it and this is the distance they should be from the sensors. This is usually difficult to achieve. Do the best you can. For precipitation, a ring of trees or buildings about 100 feet from the gauge is helpful. It breaks up the wind and allows precipitation to fall into the gauge, rather than blowing against the side.

Wind sensors at airports are usually 10 meters tall (about 33 feet). Since you don't live at an airport, this is hard to install. Also the strong winds along the coast would twist all but the strongest of wind towers. Do the best you can on height and minimize the upstream obstructions. Place the wind sensor well above the height and buildings and trees if possible for best readings."



-----Original Message----- From: Hans Hammarquist via TowerTalk
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 5:39 AM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: [TowerTalk] Fwd: weather station on tower?

Dave,


I believe that the "standard" require the wind to be measured at a 10 meter elevation and the meter be surrounded by an open field. Your site would be OK. Mine is not with all the surrounding trees.


There are several formulas how to "correct" a wind reading on other heights but the knowledge I received (about 100 years ago) must have changed as I didn't recognized it when i saw it last.


Hans - N2JFS



-----Original Message-----
From: David Robbins <k1ttt@arrl.net>
To: towertalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 6:07 pm
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] weather station on tower?


Two things to consider... usb has a limited range, past a certain distance you need repeaters. I use a wired Davis station here and have no problem with rf,
though I did put ferrites on the power cord and the usb cable to control box
that is right next to the computer anyway.  The other is that if you are
reporting to noaa (I don't know if wu goes to them or not, I report via aprs to cwop which does go to noaa after filtering) they want anemometers at certain
heights so they get consistent readings across an area.

David Robbins
K1TTT
e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
web: http://wiki.k1ttt.net
AR-Cluster
node: 145.69MHz or telnet://k1ttt.net





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