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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] how does one accomplish a 'stub' for destroying resonance on yagi elements?
From: "StellarCAT" <rxdesign@ssvecnet.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 09:18:51 -0500
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How’s this for a solution... specifically for the antenna I have ... the M2 
40M4LLDD which has linear loading wires that loop back towards and come close 
to the vertical uprights that support them... what if I installed a vacuum 
relay with one side connected to the center of the LL end ... and the other 
side to the upright thus when activated it would short the LL! This would most 
definitely destroy any resonances on 15. I could have the relays all connected 
together such that when 15 is the active band it automatically closes the 
relays... by using ferrites on the power lead to the relay it would isolate any 
other effects of the arrangement. Granted it is 8 relays ... but I believe it 
would be quite effective... thoughts anyone?

I found a picture on how Optibeam does it and indeed I was right – they just 
use a parallel line to the element with a cap in series with this line to 
create a parallel tuned trap. But they have coils – and thus can do this 
readily ... the LLDD doesn’t and I don’t know that I could implement this 
outside the LL wires... but I’ll see... I understood, possibly incorrectly, 
that NEC2 can’t handle close wires – if it is spaced say 3” would that model ok?

If I were to try this on the LL it would of course have to be on the far side 
of the LL... I’d suspect placement isn’t an issue since wherever it is placed 
it will destroy resonance on 15 ... with the flip side being not to introduce 
resonance, at least for me, on 20 since I have 20’s nearby the 40... 

or... I could maybe just do a trap from the center close point of the LL wires 
back to the upright ... just not sure if that would be high enough impedance 
(when using it on 40) not to destroy performance on 40. 

or... a series trap shorting the LL lines ... again just not sure if it would 
be high enough impedance to not effect 40... 

I suspect both of these latter two wouldn’t be high enough impedance and it 
would noticeably effect 40. 

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ok – sorry – stub. 

Specifically adding something to a 4 element 40 to eliminate 15 meter 
interaction? I believe Optibeam does this – not sure how they do it. Is this 
just using the element with a parallel line tuned through a cap for max current 
on 15? If so any suggestions on how long to make it and where specifically to 
put it on each element 1/2? 

Or is there a way to use a relay, open normally, closed when on 15 that would 
add some impedance to the antenna causing it to be detuned at 15? Alternatively 
I can rotate the antenna 90 degrees but boy it would be so much better not to 
have to do that to avoid interaction on 15. 

thanks in advance,Gary K9RX
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