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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [Bulk] Re: The other end of Phillystran - connections to the ...
From: TexasRF--- via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Reply-to: TexasRF@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:51:57 -0400
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Tom, the dimensions shown are a fit for a 506 size insulator. Also there is 
 a mention in the fine print of use with their L506 insulator.
 
Perhaps it would still work as described by using a 506 size insulator bur  
one would want to confirm the fit with the actual Phillystran grip 
components  before committing to purchasing a large lot of 506 insulators and 
Joslyn 
J732  clevises.
 
Good find, thanks!
 
73,
Gerald K5GW
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/21/2016 3:31:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
towertalk@contesting.com writes:

To all  who are still looking to see what one of these things looks like: 

Go  to Google Images.  Type in: Joslyn J732.   The image on the far  left 
is what it looks like.  Click on the photo.  

You should  see a link to MacLean Power Systems.  If you click on the link, 
it will  take you to the MacLean Power Systems web site, with a 
description:  


- Forged from 1/2-inch diameter steel  with a 1/2-inch curved bolt complete 
with Anco® locknut and are used with  porcelain guy strain insulators. 
- Minimum ultimate strength  is 12,400 pounds. 

So, the idea is that it is designed to go around a  (I assume) 502 
insulator.   So you attach your preform around the  insulator - directly to the 
tower guy bracket.  

Tom,  N2SR


From: George Dubovsky  <n4ua.va@gmail.com>
To: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>  
Cc: towertalk <towertalk@contesting.com>; k3lr@k3lr.com
Sent:  Saturday, March 19, 2016 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [Bulk] Re: The  other end of Phillystran - 
connections to the tower

I  mis-typed; it's J732.

73,

geo - n4ua

On Sat, Mar 19, 2016  at 12:38 PM, George Dubovsky <n4ua.va@gmail.com> 
wrote:

>  Google Joslyn J372. Another fellow told me that they are available  from
> Hubbell Power Systems, but 50 is the minimum order. Some  enterprising DX
> type ham, perhaps with an ENGINEERING connection,  might consider selling
> them... ;-)
>
> 73,
>
>  geo - n4ua
>
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Grant Saviers  <grants2@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm curious  what a "bent pin shackle" looks like.  I know there are bow,
>>  D, chain, and sling shackles all with various types of straight pins,  
e.g.
>> threaded, pin, bolt.
>>
>> Crosby is the  top US maker, Chicago is another US brand at a cost
>> savings.   Check rigging supply house near you for inventory or McMaster 
or
>>  uscargocontrol.com
>>
>> Thanks for the tip re 10m  interaction with big grips, I think I have 
that
>>  problem.
>>
>> Grant  KZ1W
>>
>>
>> On 3/19/2016 2:58 AM, George Dubovsky  wrote:
>>
>>> But where do you get those shackles today?  I have used Joslyn shackles 
in
>>> the past, acquired from another  ham, but when I went looking for more 
two
>>> years ago, I  couldn't find a vendor. I know it's utility hardware, but 
I
>>>  couldn't figure out how to buy any.
>>>
>>>  73,
>>>
>>> geo - n4ua
>>>
>>>  On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 3:32 AM, Tim Duffy <k3lr@k3lr.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> When installing the tower connection  end of Phillystran guy cables, I
>>>> learned that a  significant problem can happen with unintended Yagi guy
>>>>  grip
>>>> (Preform) antenna  interaction.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  The problem is this, if your guy grip tower terminations are close  to
>>>> your
>>>> antenna mounting position  (right underneath), and the terminations 
(guy
>>>> grips) are  electrically connected to the tower, they can (in many
>>>>  installations) interact and cause antenna pattern/VSWR problems.  This
>>>> problem is worse on the higher bands like10 and 15  meters.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  For example at K3LR many Yagi's are side mounted on ring  rotors.
>>>> Phillystran
>>>> or fiberglass guy  attach to the tower right under each ring rotor.
>>>> After  an
>>>> installation several years ago of some 10 meter Yagi's  I noticed that
>>>> there
>>>> were three peaks  and valleys in VSWR when rotating the antenna mounted
>>>>  on
>>>> the ring. Closer inspection and modeling the three  short lengths of
>>>> "connected" guy grips revealed that in  fact the Preform guy grips were
>>>> long
>>>>  enough (cumulative effect of 3 together) to impact the near  field
>>>> environment of the Yagi. The problem is worse the  more "horizontal" 
the
>>>> guy
>>>> wire is  relative to the Yagi (lower guy wire connection points  
heading
>>>> to
>>>> ground mounted concrete guy  dead men anchors) and the higher in
>>>>  frequency
>>>> the antenna is (Preform length is more  "meaningful").
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  The solution is simple enough and easy at the time of installation.  
All
>>>> of
>>>> my guy grip installations now  include a "bent pin shackle" (tower 
side)
>>>>  and
>>>> a properly sized guy wire insulator - right at the guy  attachment 
point
>>>> on
>>>> the tower. The  other side of the insulator contains the proper guy 
grip
>>>>  for
>>>> the Phillystran or Fiberglass guy material. This way  the Preform is
>>>> totally
>>>> insulated from  the  tower.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Once the insulators were installed at the tower connections, the  VSWR
>>>> and
>>>> directional pattern of the  Yagi antenna remained constant and
>>>>  predictable
>>>> (as modeled) no matter where the antenna was  pointed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  You can see the tower insulators installed on the K3LR 20 meter tower 
 on
>>>> this W8WWV drone video at the 5:18  mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA_NG-bVQuc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  73
>>>>
>>>> Tim  K3LR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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