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Re: [TowerTalk] Force 12 20M Monobander

To: Bob K6UJ <k6uj@pacbell.net>, "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Force 12 20M Monobander
From: Wayne Kline <w3ea@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 07:52:58 -0400
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Playing  with antennas, and tweaking there design  are  one of the  facets that 
many of us enjoy in this Hobby
or as my wife says Sickness !
 
    I  would also  like to see a  apple to apple  comparisons of available Mono 
band antennas.
A daunting task for sure.   Most of us  just stuck examining   the designing   
and tweaking antennas  
With  software  !   
 
Dean Straw  N6BV among others over the years had tweaked the famed  and popular 
Hi Gain monoband antennas.
W2PV had a enlightening  papers on yagi antennas, with the famous PV4  ...
Tom Schiller N6BT and the F-12 shed more light on in fully insulated elements, 
( Cell design ) and wide band 50 OHM
 feed impedance.  His Book Array of light is a Must read IMO ( thanks K9RS for 
the hint ).
Then  reading WA3FET's papers another must read .  Last but not least 
Justen Johnson  G0KSC   with his website and  info on OWA, OWl  LFA antennas.
many of the newer products of F-12 are  a celebrative of his design,
 
  Many of this  info is  for the Roll you own crowd ,  But gives you an incite 
as to what's  happening and why 
in your own  backyard.
 
 There was a comment about the tried and true  HI Gain 204BA     out of the BOX 
compered to the newly  developed
computer designed  antennas.   But I am hear to tell you I know of 3 active  
contester with a wall full of ARRL and CQ award plaques
both Phone and CW   using these little  compact antennas.... and there Power 
handling capability  of 1.5 KW
WOW  That's  THE "  legal Limit " and a stack of 2 of these guys   give you a 
BIG bang for you $
 
 
 Wayne W3EA 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 d> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> From: k6uj@pacbell.net
> Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 20:33:06 -0700
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Force 12 20M Monobander
> 
> Russ,
> 
> I agree, another comparison test would be great.  Now we have the OP-Des 
> and other new kids
> on the block to compare that we didnt have back then.
> 
> Bob
> K6UJ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/12/16 9:53 AM, Russ Dearmore via TowerTalk wrote:
> > Rick,  Thanks for your comments.  I found the F/B to be much higher than 
> > you did so maybe we're talking about different antennas.  The OP-Des design 
> > of the Force 12 is probably the reason for better gain and flatter SWR.  
> > I've got more confidence in the 5kw power rating than the 1.5kw of the 
> > 204BA since I use a manually tuned amp that wants to go higher than that.  
> > I'll probably keep looking at the new designs rather than the old 
> > technology.  In regards to the SteppIR I'm not comfortable with the extra 
> > maintenance they are well known for.  Needlessly expensive in the long run. 
> >    I also share your skepticism about antenna manufacturer's claims and 
> > think it's time for a monobander comparison test like Ward did with the 
> > Tri-banders some time back.    Thanks again, Russ  K5ZZR
> >   Peak F/B: 26.12dBPower Rating: 5kwGain: 9.23dBi @ 14.250MHz   My Heroes 
> > Wear Combat Boots!
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