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1. Re: Climbing advice (Wayne Kline)
2. Re: Climbing advice (Steve Maki)
3. Climbing towers (greenacres113@charter.net)
4. Re: Climbing advice (J. Hunt)
5. Wire antenna in trees? (Jim Thomson)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 00:40:53 +0000
From: Wayne Kline <w3ea@hotmail.com>
To: Mike Ricketts <mike.nd9g@gmail.com>, towertalk
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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Climbing advice
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Mike,
Not 100% what's triggering your fear, IMO if is debilitating ... DO not
Climb.
If the tower is UP try just going 20 ft at a time. building your confidence
in the structure and then in your Safety Equipment .
To climb and work at height you need to be 110% at ease have that be 20 ft. or
120 ft.
If your "white knuckled " it's best IMO to call it like it is ..
GL and remember this is a HOBBY not the X games
Wayne W3EA
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From: TowerTalk <towertalk-bounces@contesting.com> on behalf of Mike Ricketts
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Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 6:07 PM
To: towertalk
Subject: [TowerTalk] Climbing advice
Hello all,
I was finally able to get my tower upright. It's 50' and 54' to the top of
the mast, freestanding. Nothing big by many of your standards, but it's a
city lot, so have some limitations.
My problem is that I'm having difficulty climbing it. I used to climb, when
I was younger and a little less wise (teens), but it's been about 25 years
since I've done it. I'm still plenty young enough to do this physically,
but just can't seem to get myself up high enough to be useful.
I can easily pay someone to come out and do the work to get the antennas
and stuff up there, which is fine. However, i feel that I should at least
be able to do some of my own work for maintenance and such, and not always
paying someone to climb it for me.
Do any of you climbers have any advice that could possibly help me get over
this thing in my head?
73,
Mike ND9G
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 20:53:44 -0400
From: Steve Maki <lists@oakcom.org>
To: towertalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Climbing advice
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Advice I got while in my teens, and it's stuck with me (I'm now 68), is
don't look down while you're climbing. Look straight ahead, think about
where each hand is going, that's all. and while you're working, think
about what you're doing; the task at hand. That's all. Of course you'll
need to look down to your ground crew, etc., at some point, but if you
make it to your working height and get a breather, you'll be fine. If
not, call it a day on your climbing days.
-Steve K8LX
On 8/6/2017 18:07 PM, Mike Ricketts wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I was finally able to get my tower upright. It's 50' and 54' to the top of
> the mast, freestanding. Nothing big by many of your standards, but it's a
> city lot, so have some limitations.
>
> My problem is that I'm having difficulty climbing it. I used to climb, when
> I was younger and a little less wise (teens), but it's been about 25 years
> since I've done it. I'm still plenty young enough to do this physically,
> but just can't seem to get myself up high enough to be useful.
>
> I can easily pay someone to come out and do the work to get the antennas
> and stuff up there, which is fine. However, i feel that I should at least
> be able to do some of my own work for maintenance and such, and not always
> paying someone to climb it for me.
>
> Do any of you climbers have any advice that could possibly help me get over
> this thing in my head?
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2017 20:09:59 -0500
From: greenacres113@charter.net
To: "'towertalk@contesting.com'" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: [TowerTalk] Climbing towers
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At 71 my climbing days are over. Two yr.s ago the last tower went up.
50" of Rohn 45 Tiltover. I rented a boom lift & it was delivered to me
on a flat bed semi. With help from a friend we stacked 5 sections of
R45 , attached the tilt arm and installed the ant & rotor over a
weekend. The boom lift carried us & tower sections as we stacked it.
The lift also lifted the tilt arm into place. It is heavier than tower
sections. No injuries or damage. I plan on using another lift if I
need to work on some of my other towers that aren't tilt overs. It's
not cheap but as my Ham XYL said: no one was hurt & the rental cost
would have been what you would pay in the insurance deductible! Plus
no long recovery!
I felt a lot more relaxed in the lift cage rather than being strapped
to the tower. Also everything is at eye level or lower in the boom
lift. No doing things over your head.
K9IL
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 01:26:11 +0000 (UTC)
From: "J. Hunt" <ki5dq@yahoo.com>
To: towertalk <towertalk@contesting.com>, Steve Maki
<lists@oakcom.org>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Climbing advice
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Ive been doing tower work >30 years and plan on at least another 15 years.
Heights don't bother me, was at a 600' + agl level about a month ago.
Yes - I use full OSHA gear, have the training/credentials/physical strength.
But seriously though, if anyone has doubts on heights, please do not climb
towers or anything else.
Tower work is a very dangerous profession.
Cheers,
James
ki5dq
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On Sun, 8/6/17, Steve Maki <lists@oakcom.org> wrote:
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Climbing advice
To: "towertalk" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Date: Sunday, August 6, 2017, 7:53 PM
Advice I got while in my teens, and it's stuck with me (I'm now 68), is don't
look down while you're climbing.
Look straight ahead, think about where hand is going, that's all. and while
you're working, think
about what you're doing; the task at hand. That's all. Of course you'll need
to look down to your ground crew, etc., at
some point, but if you make it to your working height and get a breather,
you'll be fine. If not, call it a day on your climbing
days.
-Steve K8LX
On 8/6/2017 18:07 PM, Mike Ricketts wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I was finally able to get my tower upright. It's 50' and 54' to the top of
> the mast, freestanding. Nothing big by many of your standards, but it's a
> city lot, so have some limitations.
>
> My problem is that I'm having difficulty climbing it. I used to climb, when
> I was younger and a little less wise
(teens), but it's been about 25 years since I've done it. I'm still plenty
young enough to do this physically,
> but just can't seem to get myself up high enough to be useful.
>
> I can easily pay someone to come out and do the work to get the antennas and
> stuff up there, which is fine. However, i feel that I should at least be
> able to do some of my own work for maintenance and such, and not always
> paying someone to climb it for me.
>
> Do any of you climbers have any advice that could possibly help me get over
> this thing in my head?
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 18:44:45 -0700
From: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: [TowerTalk] Wire antenna in trees?
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 16:49:09 -0400
From: <john@kk9a.com>
To: "'Grant Saviers'" <grants2@pacbell.net>,
<towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Wire antenna in trees?
<My question was what is the advantage of Flexweave over THHN. Both are 100%
copper, Flexweave has significantly more strands which makes it more flexible
but how much flexibility do you need. Is there a corrosion issue with so many
strands? Yes <THHN is not meant for exterior use, the outer nylon of THHN
flakes off in a short time however the PVC coating seems to last for years even
in a high UV environment. For decades I have used THHN for rotator wire. I used
to use stranded copperweld <wire for temporary dipoles. After many years the
strands started breaking so I replaced the wire and the newer copperweld and it
did the same thing after a year. Apparently the wire quality was worse than my
original and I quit using it.
<John KK9A
## The THNN wire that is available at the local home depot is solid copper,
not stranded. Comes in several colors. Never seen it in stranded.
I used RW-90, in both 10 and 8 gauge, stranded copper. That outer jacket is UV
proof, and is extremely tough. I believe its polyethelene beneath the black
jacket. You can get RW-90 in any gauge, at any electrical wholesaler.
The 10 gauge was $100.00 for a 300M spool. ..... 984 feet.
## Another option is alumoweld wire. Its stupid strong in 10 gauge. I have a
500 ft roll of it. Aluminum clad solid steel core. SW broadcast stations use
alumoweld for their curtain arrays.
Jim VE7RF
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