Can you use normal butane lighter fuel for irons like the Ultratorch?
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> 1. Re: CORDLESS SOLDERING IRON (Chuck Dietz)
> 2. Re: What does -db antenna gain mean? (Jim Brown)
> 3. Re: What does -db antenna gain mean? (David Gallatin)
> 4. Re: CORDLESS SOLDERING IRON (commtekman@aol.com)
> 5. Re: What does -db antenna gain mean? (Herbert Schoenbohm)
> 6. Re: CORDLESS SOLDERING IRON (AA6DX - Mark)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 13:34:32 -0500
> From: Chuck Dietz <w5prchuck@gmail.com>
> To: "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" <richard@karlquist.com>
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> I use the Master Appliance Butane Ultratorch. It is the first and only
> thing I have found that will solder on a tower with some wind. It is not a
> standard torch. You first light it like a torch, but the purpose is to heat
> a substance that reacts with butane to create heat. After a few seconds,
> you extinguish the flame and get a steady stream that heats the tip to as
> much as 1000 degrees F. There is no flame to blow out and you don't need to
> constantly refuel. Unfortunately, Grainger no longer sells them, but here
> is a brochure. I have not attempted to research where to buy one now. I
> love mine.
>
> https://www.grainger.com/ec/pdf/UT-300Si-Brochure.pdf
>
> As we say in Texas, if you don't have an oil well or an Ultratorch, you
> need to get one!
>
> Chuck W5PR
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> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist <
> richard@karlquist.com> wrote:
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>> The big random variable for tower soldering is wind.
>> Any significant wind will greatly increase the required
>> heater power. If you can arrange to solder on a windless
>> day or inside a wind shield, it makes it a lot easier.
>>
>> Rick N6RK
>>
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>>> On 8/8/2017 10:07 AM, john@kk9a.com wrote:
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>>> Finding enough heat to solder anything on a tower is a challenge. I have a
>>> small propane soldering iron which works Ok for smaller things but I don't
>>> think it would work on a PL-259 shell.
>>>
>>> John KK9A
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>>> To: "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>
>>> Subject: [TowerTalk] CORDLESS SOLDERING IRON
>>> From: "Dale M. Schwartz" <dale@immlawfirm.com>
>>> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 16:20:24 +0000
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone have luck using battery charged soldering iron up on a tower? Do
>>> they
>>> get hot enough?
>>> Dale
>>> K4ROZ
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> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 11:35:26 -0700
> From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] What does -db antenna gain mean?
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>> On 8/8/2017 10:08 AM, Bill Straw via TowerTalk wrote:
>> According to a Cebik article, a 160M inverted L over 4 x 50' radials has a
>> -2.2 db gain. I think a -3 db gain would mean half the power would go into
>> the ground?
>
> First, you've left off the reference for gain, which is probably "i."
> Antenna gain is usually expressed as dBi, which means dB with respect to
> an isotropic radiator in free space.
>
> Several years ago, I put together a talk on 160M antennas, most of which
> is about radial systems, which is the most important part of a vertical
> antenna, especially for the lower bands.
>
> http://k9yc.com/160MPacificon.pdf
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> 73, Jim K9YC
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> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 18:40:34 +0000 (UTC)
> From: David Gallatin <kc9eev@yahoo.com>
> To: "ko7ss@yahoo.com" <ko7ss@yahoo.com>, "towertalk@contesting.com"
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> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] What does -db antenna gain mean?
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> Did he just state db? ?not dbd (gain over a dipole) or dbi (gain over the
> theoretical isotropic radiator.) ? ?With that bit of info you don't
> knowexactly where you stand.??73, David, AA9G?
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> From: Bill Straw via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
> To: "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 1:30 PM
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> The sunspots are gone and I need a better 160M transmit antenna. My previous
> Cushcraft MA160V
>
> over 50 X 50' radials worked OK for my expectations, but it had a very narrow
> bandwidth and the
>
> top loading coil would overheat with more than 500W and shift the resonant
> frequency so that
>
> the 2K-FA would go to standby. This antenna is for a new QTH.
>
>
> According to a Cebik article, a 160M inverted L over 4 x 50' radials has a
> -2.2 db gain. I think
>
> a -3 db gain would mean half the power would go into the ground? But if I
> were running 1500W I
> would still be better off from a transmitting standpoint compared to the old
> antenna?
>
> Thanks, Bill KO7SS
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> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 14:44:59 -0400
> From: commtekman@aol.com
> To: john@kk9a.com, towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] CORDLESS SOLDERING IRON
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> I don't know if people use them anymore, but I have a chemical soldering
> iron, it has interchangeable tips and with the big tip you can solder a #8
> cable to the bumper of a car...uses chemical cartridges-
> Bob
> K6OSM
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> In a message dated 8/8/2017 10:24:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, john@kk9a.com
> writes:
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> ?
> Finding enough heat to solder anything on a tower is a challenge. I have
> asmall propane soldering iron which works Ok for smaller things but I
> don'tthink it would work on a PL-259 shell.John KK9ATo:
> "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>Subject: [TowerTalk]
> CORDLESS SOLDERING IRONFrom: "Dale M. Schwartz" <dale@immlawfirm.com>Date:
> Tue, 8 Aug 2017 16:20:24 +0000Anyone have luck using battery charged
> soldering iron up on a tower? Do theyget hot enough? Dale
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> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 15:06:40 -0400
> From: Herbert Schoenbohm <herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com>
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> The -2.2 db figure will change quickly every time you double the number of
> radials even if they are only 50 footers. A better approach would be to
> start out with putting down some expanded cooper mesh or even rabbit
> fencing in a square around the tower. The rabbit fence is available from
> most box stores.
>
> Herb
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Bill Straw via TowerTalk <
> towertalk@contesting.com> wrote:
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>> The sunspots are gone and I need a better 160M transmit antenna. My
>> previous Cushcraft MA160V
>>
>> over 50 X 50' radials worked OK for my expectations, but it had a very
>> narrow bandwidth and the
>>
>> top loading coil would overheat with more than 500W and shift the resonant
>> frequency so that
>>
>> the 2K-FA would go to standby. This antenna is for a new QTH.
>>
>>
>> According to a Cebik article, a 160M inverted L over 4 x 50' radials has a
>> -2.2 db gain. I think
>>
>> a -3 db gain would mean half the power would go into the ground? But if I
>> were running 1500W I
>> would still be better off from a transmitting standpoint compared to the
>> old antenna?
>>
>> Thanks, Bill KO7SS
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 12:26:10 -0700
> From: "AA6DX - Mark" <aa6dx@arrl.net>
> To: "Dale M. Schwartz" <dale@immlawfirm.com>,
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> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] CORDLESS SOLDERING IRON
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> NO, & NO -- I have 2 of those battery irons, and had terrible luck using
> them on a tower -- matter of fact, I don't even know where they are right
> now! HIHIHI.. BUT -- I also have a butane iron, and it was more
> acceptable. The real way I was successful was to pull an extension cord up
> the tower and use a REAL soldering iron .. .. .. The hints about using a
> wind shield of some sort is a swell idea, too. If you are happy with
> crimping coax connectors, and have the proper tool, I would go with that!
> Worky worky -- 73 es DX -- Mark AA6DX
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dale M. Schwartz
> Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 9:20 AM
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: [TowerTalk] CORDLESS SOLDERING IRON
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> Anyone have luck using battery charged soldering iron up on a tower? Do they
> get hot enough?
> Dale
> K4ROZ
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