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Re: [TowerTalk] 12V through coax to switch antennas remotely

To: "N2TK, Tony" <tony.kaz@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 12V through coax to switch antennas remotely
From: Edward Mccann via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Edward Mccann <edwmccann@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 08:21:50 -0700
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Good Morning:

You might want to scan the attached brief article, which addresses some of your 
points in SRF and Bias-T devices.


http://www.ad5x.com/images/Articles/BiasT3amp.pdf


73,

EdMcCann
AG6CX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2018, at 10:45 AM, N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Grant,
> How do you measure for self-resonance and how important is it for what I am
> doing?
> N2TK, Tony
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Grant Saviers [mailto:grants2@pacbell.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 11:59 AM
> To: N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz@verizon.net>; towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 12V through coax to switch antennas remotely
> 
> I have the same interest for a 160/80m relay switchable receive antenna feed
> design on RG6 and came to the following conclusions (probably better ideas
> out there).
> 
> The inductor should have its self resonant frequency at or above the maximum
> frequency to be passed on the coax.  I selected a Bourns
> 652-RLB0608 180uH with 235ma current rating and corresponding low R and spec
> 4MHz SRF on a ferrite bobbin.  I've seen what appear to be 100uH Miller
> solenoid wound chokes in commercial designs but have never measured their
> SRF.
> 
> The capacitors should have a SRF well above the max frequency.   I chose 
> 0.1uF Kemet 1210 SMD size 500v rated chip caps for the LC block and the C
> pass .  The 500v rating is for a big lightning/static/crosstalk safety 
> factor.   (I can show you some leaded 0.1uf HV ceramics with a measured 
> SRF below 2MHz, I gotta wonder how one can make them so bad).  SMD
> multi-layer chip caps are really superior to any leaded ceramic.
> 
> Elsie showed the DC block yields a 2k or so impedance across RG6 on 160m and
> twice that on 80m, so a few percent loss of signal which for a receive
> antenna is negligible.
> 
> Everything in stock at Mouser, not yet delivered.
> 
> Grant KZ1W
> 
>> On 4/3/2018 6:32 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
>> Have a question about the values of the choke to keep RF from the 
>> relay and the caps for coupling of the signal. In different products I 
>> see quite a bit of different values of both components.
>> 
>> For the coupling caps I see values from .01-.2uf. It would seem 
>> increasing the value of the cap reduces the Xc. And for the choke I 
>> see values of 100uh-2.5mh. And it seems increasing the value of the 
>> choke also increases Xl.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My application is for 160M and 80M only with receive antennas.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My question - does it really make a difference over the values listed
> above?
>> Do all the values offer enough Xc or Xl to not cause any problems?  Is 
>> there really a recommended "good" value for the caps and coils? Even 
>> 100uh offers 1K ohms at 1.8MHZ and .1uf is .8 ohms.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Still learning.
>> 
>> Tnx
>> 
>> N2TK, Tony
>> 
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