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Re: [TowerTalk] Laying out radials around a stone fence

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Laying out radials around a stone fence
From: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 05:57:31 -0700
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On 5/14/18 5:44 AM, Kelly Taylor wrote:
Hi Don,

Interesting observation, no doubt accurate given the qualifications of VE6LO, 
but I wonder to what extent this reconciles with assertions by K9YC, and, I 
think, N6LF, about radials serving to shield the radiated signal from the lossy 
earth as much as they serve as a return path for RF current.


An interesting observation for the current - I wonder what the physics behind the observationis.

If you're way out on the radial, the current's going to be small. I could imagine the current on the "horizontal" parts that are radial of the wire being very different from the "vertical" parts or horizontal parts that are sideways to the antenna. the interesting question would be would the current be after a zig zag.



I seem to recall some work by K9YC and others on the positive effects of radials that 
weren’t even connected to antennas that, unlike a quarter-wave monopole, were already 
complete (such as dipoles both vertical and horizontal), and thus the radials didn’t 
serve as a return path, but instead helped reflect radiation that would normally be swallowed 
up by the earth.

Exactly- they effectively reduce the soil resistivity, more than being part of the antenna.



If both observations are correct, perhaps the answer is to lay radials outside 
the stone wall but not worry about connecting them to radials inside the wall?

73, kelly, ve4xt

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