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Re: [TowerTalk] 130' 45G Gyued Tower Questions

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 130' 45G Gyued Tower Questions
From: David Robbins via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Reply-to: k1ttt@arrl.net
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 14:43:46 -0000
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That is normal and as you expect it will bend back up as you add the other 
guys.  I don't see any need to force it up with cribbing, the rod won't take a 
permanent bend from that small deflection.  It might require a small adjustment 
in tension when the rod bends back up from the other guys, but that should be 
only a tiny effect.

David Robbins K1TTT
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-----Original Message-----
From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Byron 
Tatum
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 14:25
To: Towertalk Reflector
Subject: [TowerTalk] 130' 45G Gyued Tower Questions

Hello-   I have some questions regarding the effects seen on anchor rods when 
installing first level of guys on a 130' 45G tower:           The tower is 
installed per Rohn 130 MPH specs, using same spacing, dimensions and angle of 
anchor rod (38 deg).  The anchor rod is made identical to the Rohn GAC5655TOP 
being 10' long, 1.25" high strength rod, 1/2" 50 KSI plate at top end of rod 
but with only 3 drilled 13/16" holes for turnbuckles, hole spacing same as Rohn 
(5655 anchor has 5 turnbuckle holes) and concreted in a concrete anchor built 
per Rohn AB3 dimensions.           I have the tower free-standing at 41' right 
now using a 5' concrete base section. A guy bracket was installed at 35' per 
Rohn spec and I attached the guy/turnbuckle to bottom hole in anchor rod plate 
and tensioned to around 600#. I am seeing the anchor rods bend downward to an 
angle of around 30 deg as I increase the tension on guy wire. It appears the 
rods have a very slight, just barely perceptible bow in them, po
 ssibly from the wrenching action of the pull being from several inches below 
the rod center (as plates are welded to rod and not pivoting).             I 
left the "slots" cut in ground (where anchor rod angles upward from top of 
concrete to surface of ground) unfilled as I wanted to be able to observe the 
effects on them and to install protective sheaths on them, where they exit the 
ground, when tower is finished plus to backfill these with clean sand. The rods 
were tarred and wrapped for corrosion protection.          I backed the 
turnbuckles off to a much less guy wire tension in order to reduce the downward 
pressure on anchor rods and to allow me to install cribbing under the 
turnbuckle plates to restore my anchor rod angle back to 38 deg.          This 
is the first tower that I have installed with fixed turnbuckle plates welded on 
an anchor rod. It seems that all of the ones in past had the pivoting 
turnbuckle plates and I did not notice these effects as the plates pivoted way u
 pward with only bottom guy wire attached.          So my questions are --1. 
Has anyone else observed these things in installing a similar tower? Possibly 
if I had backfilled the anchor rods these effects would not have been as easy 
to detect.2. Would anyone have an opinion regarding using strong cribbing under 
the turnbuckle plates in order to maintain original installed rod angle of 38 
deg. as I restore tension to around 600# on bottom set of guy wires?          I 
imaging that when I get the second level of guys installed, of which turnbuckle 
holes are centered on ends of anchor rods themselves, the rods will be pulled 
upward, closer to the installed angle of 38 deg, and with installation of top 
set of guys all will balance out for rod angle of 38 deg.         My first 
experience with fixed turnbuckle plates on anchor rods. Thanks for any comments 
or advice.Byron W5FH _______________________________________________



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