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Re: [TowerTalk] Sufficient ground or counterpoise for VHF/UHF antenna?

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Sufficient ground or counterpoise for VHF/UHF antenna?
From: Gene Smar via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Gene Smar <ersmar@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 16:20:05 -0500
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Kevin:

     Many thanks for the Christmas greetings and back atcha.

     The first thing I would do is try moving the antenna and ground plane around to different locations in the attic.  The purpose of this exercise would be to see if you can find a spot, away from other metallic objects like HVAC ducts and wiring, that would improve your SWR on both bands.  If you're really ambitious and want to enjoy the predicted warmer weather, you might want to take the time to bring the entire antenna, coax and radio setup outdoors and try the SWR exercise on a table, etc. to see what you can do with nothing in the immediate vicinity of your antenna system.  This will give you a "best case" for reference and tell you what your chosen antenna can really do.

Regarding the fluctuations in SWR from 440 to 445 MHz, I can't say with certainty what might be causing that.  But if you try the outdoor test, you might see a different, smoother SWR response. That would tell me that your antenna in its present position might be close to a metallic object that is just the right (wrong?) distance from the antenna to interact with it somehow.  If there is no difference, then it's a design factor with the antenna itself.

     Let us know what your results are and how you like the new radio.

ARL SIXTY ONE es 73 de
Gene Smar  AD3F


On 12/24/2021 1:39 PM, Kevin Zembower via TowerTalk wrote:
Hello, all, and happy holidays to those that celebrate them!

Rumor has it that I can expect a new VHF/UHF radio under the tree
tomorrow. This will be my first VHF/UHF base station. In preparation, I
have an about 40 inch VHF/UHF whip antenna on a magnetic mount in my
attic, stuck to a 24 x 35 inch piece of heavy gauge galvanized sheet steel.

Is this adequate for a ground plane or counterpoise? I know it's not the
mass of a vehicle. The SWR is pretty good, I think. It goes from about
1.45:1 to 1.3:1 over the VHF band, and 2.5:1 to 1.3:1 in UHF (with a
consistent set of big fluctuations at 440 and 445MHz. What's that about?).

Would this system be improved by four wires run to the corners of my
attic and electrically bonded to the sheet steel? Would more wires be
better? There's no easy way to ground it to earth from up in the attic.

Thanks for any advice or guidance. Happy New Year to all!

-Kevin
KC3KZ
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