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Subject: [TowerTalk] Update on Dielectric Loading (was EZNEC Question)
From: David Gilbert <ab7echo@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:25:25 -0700
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I just posted the following update to the QRZ.com forum, which includes a picture of the dipole and dielectric sleeves:

Dave   AB7E

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As best I can tell, NEC2 and NEC4 simply produce errors for partial dielectric loading ... and maybe even for uniform loading. I have no idea why that might be.

I decided to do an actual test to see what is going on. I made a dipole out of #12 (2mm) bare copper wires 6 inches long on either side of a BNC panel mount connector. I used a BNC to SMA adapter to connect to a good quality nanoVNA for the measurements. I suspended the dipole several inches above a wooden workbench and used a 12 inch length of coax to reach the VNA. The 20mm long, 10mm diameter dielectric sleeves are 3D printed (15% infill) with PETG which has a relative permittivity of about 2.5. I took SWR readings with no sleeves and also in pairs (for balance) at various positions along the wire. I also cut one of the 20mm sleeves in half to give me two 10mm long sleeves.

By the way, I realize that the SWR minimum does not necessarily correlate with resonance, but I think it's good enough for this purpose.

Here are the results, which were very repeatable:

no sleeves = 432 MHz
20 mm sleeve at ends of wires = 420 MHz
20mm sleeves at roughly 3/4 position from center = 425 MHz
20mm sleeves at roughly 1/2 position from center = 427 MHz
20mm sleeves at roughly 1/4 position from center = 430 MHz
20mm sleeves as close as I could get to center = 432 MHz

2x20mm (40mm total) sleeves starting at ends of wires = 413 MHz
4x20mm (80mm total) sleeves starting at ends of wires = 407 MHz

10mm sleeves at ends of wires = 425 MHz

I did not see any anomalous behavior like that shown by NEC2 and NEC4.

NEC5 seems to get it right. Both Dan's NEC5 calculated results and my experimental results show pretty much the same profile as well as roughly the same percentage of shift in the resonant frequency. From that I conclude three things:

1. NEC2 and NEC4 results for the effect of insulation are probably suspect.
2. It's interesting how effective relatively little dielectric loading is at the ends of the wires. Obviously that's where the E-field get very high, but still ... 3. It might be practical, at least for UHF antennas, to make them easily (and fairly significantly) tunable by varying the dielectric loading.

Dave AB7E

p.s. The dielectric sleeves were 3D printed with 3 perimeters and 15% infill, and the holes were just barely larger than diameter of the #14 wire. That means that the portion of the sleeve closest to the wire would have close to the rated 2.5 Er for PETG, but much of the rest of the sleeve was just air. I suspect that the effective Er was closer to 2.0 or maybe even less. As best I can tell, NEC2 and NEC4 simply produce errors for partial dielectric loading ... and maybe even for uniform loading.  I have no idea why that might be.

I decided to do an actual test to see what is going on.  I made a dipole out of #12 (2mm) bare copper wires 6 inches long on either side of a BNC panel mount connector.  I used a BNC to SMA adapter to connect to a good quality nanoVNA for the measurements.  I suspended the dipole several inches above a wooden workbench and used a 12 inch length of coax to reach the VNA.  The 20mm long, 10mm diameter dielectric sleeves are 3D printed (15% infill) with PETG which has a relative permittivity of about 2.5.  I took SWR readings with no sleeves and also in pairs (for balance) at various positions along the wire.  I also cut one of the 20mm sleeves in half to give me two 10mm long sleeves.

By the way, I realize that the SWR minimum does not necessarily correlate with resonance, but I think it's good enough for this purpose.

Here are the results, which were very repeatable:

no sleeves = 432 MHz
20 mm sleeve at ends of wires = 420 MHz
20mm sleeves at roughly 3/4 position from center = 425 MHz
20mm sleeves at roughly 1/2 position from center = 427 MHz
20mm sleeves at roughly 1/4 position from center = 430 MHz
20mm sleeves as close as I could get to center = 432 MHz

2x20mm (40mm total) sleeves starting at ends of wires = 413 MHz
4x20mm (80mm total) sleeves starting at ends of wires = 407 MHz

10mm sleeves at ends of wires =  425 MHz

I did not see any anomalous behavior like that shown by NEC2 and NEC4.

NEC5 seems to get it right.  Both Dan's NEC5 calculated results and my experimental results show pretty much the same profile as well as roughly the same percentage of shift in the resonant frequency.  From that I conclude three things:

1.  NEC2 and NEC4 results for the effect of insulation are probably suspect.
2.  It's interesting how effective relatively little dielectric loading is at the ends of the wires.  Obviously that's where the E-field get very high, but still ... 3.  It might be practical, at least for UHF antennas, to make them easily (and fairly significantly) tunable by varying the dielectric loading.

Dave   AB7E

p.s.  The dielectric sleeves were 3D printed with 3 perimeters and 15% infill, and the holes were just barely larger than diameter of the #14 wire.  That means that the portion of the sleeve closest to the wire would have close to the rated 2.5 Er for PETG, but much of the rest of the sleeve was just air.  I suspect that the effective Er was closer to 2.0 or maybe even less. As best I can tell, NEC2 and NEC4 simply produce errors for partial dielectric loading ... and maybe even for uniform loading.  I have no idea why that might be.

I decided to do an actual test to see what is going on.  I made a dipole out of #12 (2mm) bare copper wires 6 inches long on either side of a BNC panel mount connector.  I used a BNC to SMA adapter to connect to a good quality nanoVNA for the measurements.  I suspended the dipole several inches above a wooden workbench and used a 12 inch length of coax to reach the VNA.  The 20mm long, 10mm diameter dielectric sleeves are 3D printed (15% infill) with PETG which has a relative permittivity of about 2.5.  I took SWR readings with no sleeves and also in pairs (for balance) at various positions along the wire.  I also cut one of the 20mm sleeves in half to give me two 10mm long sleeves.

By the way, I realize that the SWR minimum does not necessarily correlate with resonance, but I think it's good enough for this purpose.

Here are the results, which were very repeatable:

no sleeves = 432 MHz
20 mm sleeve at ends of wires = 420 MHz
20mm sleeves at roughly 3/4 position from center = 425 MHz
20mm sleeves at roughly 1/2 position from center = 427 MHz
20mm sleeves at roughly 1/4 position from center = 430 MHz
20mm sleeves as close as I could get to center = 432 MHz

2x20mm (40mm total) sleeves starting at ends of wires = 413 MHz
4x20mm (80mm total) sleeves starting at ends of wires = 407 MHz

10mm sleeves at ends of wires =  425 MHz

I did not see any anomalous behavior like that shown by NEC2 and NEC4.

NEC5 seems to get it right.  Both Dan's NEC5 calculated results and my experimental results show pretty much the same profile as well as roughly the same percentage of shift in the resonant frequency.  From that I conclude three things:

1.  NEC2 and NEC4 results for the effect of insulation are probably suspect.
2.  It's interesting how effective relatively little dielectric loading is at the ends of the wires.  Obviously that's where the E-field get very high, but still ... 3.  It might be practical, at least for UHF antennas, to make them easily (and fairly significantly) tunable by varying the dielectric loading.

Dave   AB7E

p.s.  The dielectric sleeves were 3D printed with 3 perimeters and 15% infill, and the holes were just barely larger than diameter of the #14 wire.  That means that the portion of the sleeve closest to the wire would have close to the rated 2.5 Er for PETG, but much of the rest of the sleeve was just air.  I suspect that the effective Er was closer to 2.0 or maybe even less.
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