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Re: [TowerTalk] Raised Radial Spacing

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Raised Radial Spacing
From: Jack Brindle via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle@me.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2025 23:03:57 -0500
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One very pertinent thing that has not been mentioned is N6BT’s development of 
Vertical Open Ring (VOR) antennas. In this design the “ground wire” is actually 
a 1/4 wave ring that wraps around the base of the antenna. The vertical is up 
off the ground some distance (less than 1/4 wave, perhaps 1/8 wave). The 
antenna is described in the latest (4th) edition of Tom’s book “Array of 
Light”.  He has spoken of it in quite a few presentations that are now 
available on Youtube, including an NCCC meeting earlier this year. Definitely 
worth a view.

It is also interesting that the November issue of QST shows an antenna of this 
design, by G4UNA. Either the author re-invented Tom’s work, or failed to give 
him credit, but this article also demonstrates the VOR concept. Essentially the 
radial consists of a 1/4 wave piece of wire that extends out from the base at 
an angle, then forms a partial square around the antenna. The wire is 
terminated before it touches itself, thus the square is not completed. In Tom’s 
experiments he showed that the wire might make up only three sides of the 
square and perform just as well as if it extends on the fourth side.

By the way, his book is also a gold mine for ideas about raised radial 
verticals. They perform incredibly well at the beach - he still holds several 
QRP records from the Caribbean for QRP contests using these antennas. 
Contemporary reports show that the gull-wing style of radials perform very well.

This topic is very well discussed in ON4UN’s “Low Band DXing” and slightly 
lesser so in the latest ARRL Antenna Book.

Sounds like some experimentation may be in store to see what works best for the 
OP.

73,
Jack, W6FB


> On Oct 24, 2025, at 6:03 PM, Dale Dean <browndog2344@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a SteppIR BigIR vertical that I am refurbishing.  It will be installed 
> in a small backyard that does not allow for the normal ground radial system 
> (such as 60 ea at 33').  I will need to go to 2 ea tuned elevated radials for 
> each band (80 thru 10 - 8 bands).  My solution (I think the only one I have 
> due to lot restrictions) is to run the radials along the vinyl fence.  The 
> vertical is mounted on a 4x4 post at 5 feet above the ground.  One direction 
> has about 70' of length (straight) but the other direction has a 90-degree 
> turn about 20 feet down from the antenna and then a straight shot the rest of 
> the lengths so the radials for 80, 40, and 30 will have a 90-degree bend at 
> that point and then continue on straight.  All the radials will follow the 
> fence line so they will not be spaced out is a circular distribution from the 
> antenna.  There will be about 1 to 2 feet of horizonal spacing in the plane 
> for 4 bands (80, 40, 30 and 20).  I will do a similar install for the 17, 15, 
> 12
>  and 10m bands but will have them be 1 to 2 feet down vertically from the 1st 
> set of radials.  Hopefully, this is clear and not confusing - I do not think 
> I am able to post a diagram of what I want to try.
> 
> Couple of questions:
> 
> Will this work?
> 
> What is the minimum spacing horizontally and vertically for the radials as 
> proposed?
> 
> Any other suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Dale
> AF7WH
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