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Re: [TowerTalk] Fan dipole Re: Looking for a HP 80/40 Duplexer

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fan dipole Re: Looking for a HP 80/40 Duplexer
From: "Jim Lux" <jim@luxfamily.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2025 19:52:19 -0500
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Sure, that probably reduces the C by a factor of 2, so coupling is 6 dB worse. 
Still not particularly well isolated.

16 MHz seems about what it would be for L and parasitic C - It's been a long 
time since I actually looked at that antenna in detail. 


On Tue, 18 Nov 2025 13:56:19 -0800, Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

On 11/18/2025 12:46 PM, Jim Lux wrote:
> I'd expect substantial coupling between the fans, though.

The fans I've built use wider spacing -- 10-12 in for my 80/40 fans,
about 8-in spacing for 15M and 10M on either side of the longest 20M
element.

Yes, there's coupling, but not enough to affect radiation efficiency. It
shows up as a narrowing of the SWR bandwidth on the shorter dipoles.

As I recall (from 20 years ago), the loading coils for a 80/40 dipole
resonated in the range of 16 MHz. The SWR bandwidth of a 160/80 design
was only about 50 kHz on 160M. I had it up around 120 ft for a year or
two after I moved here, and ran a lot of A/B comparisons with a 100 ft
Tee with a lot of radials. It rarely won -- even at 120 ft, a horizontal
dipole is low in terms of the vertical pattern it produces -- so when a
storm took it down, I rebuilt it without the loading coils.

73, Jim K9YC
 



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