Steve wrote....
> This is absoutely true. ONCE in my life have I called CQ on 1296 and
> gotten a reply--during an ARRL UHF contest a few years ago. More
> random contacts have occured on 222, but yeah, the pickings are
> slim.
I recall calling CQ on 1296.100 on the evening of Nov 27, 1986 (well 0150Z
Nov 28, 1986 to be exact) and getting an answer from WB0YSG in EM28. I was
in EN90xn at the time. The band stayed open for FOUR days. I was running
around 100w to a single 17 element F9FT yagi about 15 feet off my apartment
roof. That was before the days of internet propagation alerts. We called CQ
and watched UHF TV for band opening clues. So you have to ask yourself, is a
CQ on the microwaves worthwhile? If nothing else it exercises the
transmitter chain and makes our presence in the spectrum noticed. And you
might get lucky. Ever buy a lottery ticket????
Mike wa3tts
PS most of the 222MHz contacts at w3kwh were random in the last June
contest.
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> 1. For Sale 1296 xvtr (kr7o@vhfdx.com)
> 2. Re: Handing out things (for thinking about not discussion)
> (Paul Decker)
> 3. Re: Handing out things (for thinking about notdiscussion)
> (Jim Worsham)
> 4. Re: Rule 3.3.1.... (Jim Worsham)
> 5. Re: Handing out things (for thinking about not discussion)
> (Nate Duehr)
> 6. Re: Contest contacts on 222 and 1296 (STeve Andre')
> 7. Re: Rule 2.3.1.... (Christopher Burke)
> 8. Contest contacts above 144 (Rick R)
> 9. Re: Rule 3.3.1.... (James French)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:38:14 -0700
> From: kr7o@vhfdx.com
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] For Sale 1296 xvtr
> To:
> vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu,vhfcontesting@contesting.com,wswss@mailman.qth.net
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> Message-ID:
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> I have for sale a UHF Units (Sweden) 1296 transverter. UHF Units became
> Parabolic AB. This unit is rated for 2M in @100mw and 3w output. I had
> previously offered this, but after testing I found the transmit side has
> no
> power output. I can hear a weak signal on another receiver from this
> unit,
> but I am unable to measure any power output. Sold as-is for a project (I
> have enough projects right now). I have a PDF of the manual and
> schematics.
>
> $160 shipped in the US.
>
>
>
>
> 73, Robert KR7O/YB2ARO, DM07ba/OI52ee (ex. N7STU)
> kr7o@vhfdx.com
>
> www.vhfdx.com (KR7O/YB2ARO homepages)
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:44:34 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Paul Decker <kg7hf@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Handing out things (for thinking about
> not discussion)
> To: "Mike (KA5CVH) Urich" <ka5cvh@gmail.com>
> Cc: "\(Radio\) VHF Contesting" <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
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>
> The technicality is that it in the case of someone building a bunch of
> rover boxes, they are?only being handed out once to one person.?? Carrying
> around an ht to hand out to someone to make a contact, then to retrive it
> only to hand out the same ht again is against the rules.?? Now if you had
> 'n' number of rigs, and were handing out a different rig to each person,
> that is a different story.??
>
>
>
> The only exception to this is for a "family" where a rig is shared among
> each family member.?? In other words, I can use my rig in the contest with
> my call sign.?? My daughter (kb1ogl) can use my rig when I'm not on the
> air using her callsign, both of our calls count for points for other
> stations in the contest.? However, my neighbor can't come over and use his
> call on my rig to hand out points.
>
>
>
> At least that is how I read the rules for most arrl contests.
>
>
>
> Paul (KG7HF)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike (KA5CVH) Urich" <ka5cvh@gmail.com>
> To: "(Radio) VHF Contesting" <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 3:35:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] Handing out things (for thinking about not
> discussion)
>
> Just curious. I'd really like to know what the difference between
> someone like Les handing his handi to someone to use during the
> contest ... and lets say someone else building a whole bunch of
> "loaner rover boxes" and handing them out to other people to use
> before the contest begins?
>
> --
> Mike Urich, KA5CVH
> http://ka5cvh.com
> http://twitter.com/KA5CVH
>
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> year 2022) and would never come true.
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> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:47:09 -0400
> From: "Jim Worsham" <wa4kxy@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Handing out things (for thinking about
> notdiscussion)
> To: "'Mike \(KA5CVH\) Urich'" <ka5cvh@gmail.com>, "'\(Radio\) VHF
> Contesting'" <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
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> As has been discussed, what Les proposed doing violates at least two rules
> that I am aware of. The first is the one call sign per station rule and
> the
> second is the one station per rover rule. Now, if Les bought a bunch of
> HTs
> and gave one to each of his friends before the contest and they worked him
> with those HTs then he would be OK.
>
> 73
> Jim, W4KXY
>
> It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how
> smart
> you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.
> Richard P. Feynman
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vhfcontesting-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:vhfcontesting-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike (KA5CVH)
> Urich
> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 3:35 PM
> To: (Radio) VHF Contesting
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] Handing out things (for thinking about
> notdiscussion)
>
> Just curious. I'd really like to know what the difference between
> someone like Les handing his handi to someone to use during the
> contest ... and lets say someone else building a whole bunch of
> "loaner rover boxes" and handing them out to other people to use
> before the contest begins?
>
> --
> Mike Urich, KA5CVH
> http://ka5cvh.com
> http://twitter.com/KA5CVH
>
> Soylent Green - And you only thought it was a fictional movie (in the
> year 2022) and would never come true.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:47:09 -0400
> From: "Jim Worsham" <wa4kxy@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Rule 3.3.1....
> To: "'James French'" <w8iss@wideopenwest.com>, "'Nate Duehr'"
> <nate@natetech.com>
> Cc: 'VHF Contesting email' <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
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> Being one of the folks who helped write the rules for the unlimited rover,
> I
> have to ask, what about the unlimited rover class "ISN'T designed to take
> this into account currently"? It was certainly our intent that such a
> "Rover Bus" operation be allowed in the unlimited rover class.
>
> 73
> Jim, W4KXY
>
> It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how
> smart
> you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.
> Richard P. Feynman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vhfcontesting-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:vhfcontesting-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of James French
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:18 AM
> To: Nate Duehr
> Cc: VHF Contesting email
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Rule 3.3.1....
>
> On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 17:09 -0600, Nate Duehr wrote:
>
>> I've always loved the idea of a "Rover Bus" with a bunch of friends.
>>
>> --
>> Nate Duehr, WY0X
>> nate@natetech.com
>
> That's what I am thinking, Nate. But per the rules, we are not allowed
> to do that. This I think would help bring out other operators plus get
> those operators that can 'borrow' a loaner station the chance to make
> a few contacts and have questions answered at the same time and be given
> advise on how things work, are planned and arranged, and to see how
> other stations do things.
>
> The Unlimited ROVER class ISN'T designed to take this into account
> currently.
>
> James W8ISS
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:55:02 -0600
> From: "Nate Duehr" <nate@natetech.com>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Handing out things (for thinking about
> not discussion)
> To: "(Radio) VHF Contesting" <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <1246298102.25777.1322699093@webmail.messagingengine.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> One is legal and the other isn't. LOL!
>
> (Here we go again!)
>
> --
> Nate Duehr
> nate@natetech.com
>
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:35 -0500, "Mike (KA5CVH) Urich"
> <ka5cvh@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Just curious. I'd really like to know what the difference between
>> someone like Les handing his handi to someone to use during the
>> contest ... and lets say someone else building a whole bunch of
>> "loaner rover boxes" and handing them out to other people to use
>> before the contest begins?
>>
>> --
>> Mike Urich, KA5CVH
>> http://ka5cvh.com
>> http://twitter.com/KA5CVH
>>
>> Soylent Green - And you only thought it was a fictional movie (in the
>> year 2022) and would never come true.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:04:53 -0400
> From: "STeve Andre'" <andres@msu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Contest contacts on 222 and 1296
> To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <200906291504.53518.andres@msu.edu>
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>
> This is absoutely true. ONCE in my life have I called CQ on 1296 and
> gotten a reply--during an ARRL UHF contest a few years ago. More
> random contacts have occured on 222, but yeah, the pickings are
> slim.
>
> I usually do the "Got any other bands" routine when getting someone
> at a contest, and at least a dozen have asked if its worth it. I always
> say yes, as getting more activity on the non 6/2/70cm bands is a
> good thing. This last June VHF contest, I'm pretty sure I heard three
> stations I've never seen on 222 before, and I know one of them had
> asked that question last September contest. So, it works, and gets
> more folks on new bands.
>
> --STeve Andre'
> wb8wsf en82, W8PGW cheerleader
>
> On Sunday 28 June 2009 10:34:25 Jimk8mr@aol.com wrote:
>> Most contacts on 222 and above are not a result of "finding" stations,
>> but
>> rather the result of finding someone on six or two and then moving to the
>> higher bands.
>>
>> So if you work someone on six or two, ask "do you have any other bands",
>> and if so, move to those bands right away.
>>
>> There indeed are fewer stations on 222 than the other three bands, and
>> even
>> fewer on 1296.
>>
>> 73 - Jim K8MR
>>
>> In a message dated 6/27/2009 11:13:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> maded@mindspring.com writes:
>>
>> I've been entering various VHF/UHF contests for a few years now. Due to
>> small city lot restrictions I am
>>
>> limited to using 100W or less.
>>
>> I have capability on 6M, 2M, 222MHz, 432MHz and 1.2GHz, but I seem to
>> find few stations on 222 and 1.2.
>>
>> I suspect that the more powerful contesting stations have some schedule
>> that
>> they use for looking for contacts on
>>
>> these bands. Can anybody help with some information?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ed (W2SN)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:04:33 -0500
> From: Christopher Burke <burke166@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Rule 2.3.1....
> To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Message-ID:
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>
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:17:42 -0400, James French <w8iss@wideopenwest.com>
> wrote:
>
>> > I've always loved the idea of a "Rover Bus" with a bunch of friends.
>>
>> That's what I am thinking, Nate. But per the rules, we are not allowed
>> to do that. This I think would help bring out other operators plus get
>> those operators that can 'borrow' a loaner station the chance to make
>> a few contacts and have questions answered at the same time and be given
>> advise on how things work, are planned and arranged, and to see how
>> other stations do things.
>>
>> The Unlimited ROVER class ISN'T designed to take this into account
>> currently.
>>
>
> I've always liked this idea, too. Whether the Unlimited Rover class was
> designed with this in mind or not, I don't see why you can't do it. Maybe
> I'm missing something.
>
> I think a more logical arrangement than handing out an HT to introduce
> someone to VHF contesting would be to allow them to operate your station
> briefly, maybe make a few contacts. Which you can't do as a Single
> Operator
> or two operator (Limited) Rover and you can do once if you rove solo. So
> maybe they should add a rule like this:
>
> 2.7 Observers. Any Rover, Limited Rover, or Single-Operator station may
> include one or more observers. Each observer may operate the station for
> a
> single 10 minute period with one of the station's listed operators present
> at all times. The intent of this rule is to provide for introducing the
> observers to VHF contesting and not to increase the capability of the
> station within its category.
>
> 73! Chris N9YH
>
> --
> Chris Burke
> chris@n9yh.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:51:08 -0400
> From: Rick R <rick1ds@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] Contest contacts above 144
> To: vhf contesting <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <BAY118-W49D4DA0C0AD51EE00898C3FA300@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> I think I started VHF contesting almost 40 yrs ago. As I remember, and
> correct me if I am wrong, in those days, most folks had 6&2m, and some had
> the "exotic bands" of 220/432/1296. The VHF sections of the handbooks had
> some info on rigs for those bands, much of it converted surplus. When the
> contest started, folks were on 6&2, just making random QSOs. There was an
> unofficial "activity hour" (at least in the northeast) that started at 8PM
> for 220, and then 9PM was 432, 10PM was 1296. 903 was not our band then.
> Many xtal controlled and tuning the band was essential. Some folks who had
> 10GHz or other microwave gear used that on Sunday afternoon when things
> might have been slow if 6 wasn't open.
>
> I don't ever remember "running the bands" then, but it has become
> popularized with multi-band rovers (work 'em while you get 'em) and
> multi-op stations, where all the bands had dedicated ops standing by to
> make the QSO, and you didn't need to change the LO to feed a new
> multiplier and amp, change a coax cable, etc.
>
> This has been an evolutionary development in VHF contesting that has grown
> with the above technical improvements. My suggestion to the west coaster
> considering selling the 1296 gear: stimulate your buddies to get on that
> band and increase the activity. Develop a VHF club locally, order a group
> of 1296 kits from a supplier at a discount and build/teach/operate. Rick,
> K1DS
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:17:49 -0400
> From: James French <w8iss@wideopenwest.com>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Rule 3.3.1....
> To: VHF Contesting email <VHFcontesting@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <1246313869.5694.22.camel@w8iss-amd>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> OK.
>
> I see my mistake in my reply.
>
> What I am referring to that the unlimitited rover DOES not cover is that
> if you have MORE than two operators, you can only use ONE call still
> even if it is NOT a group effort.
>
> I am thinking a "ROVER BUS' as Nate calls it where the vehicle
> transports more than one operator and EACH operator uses their personal
> call separate from everyone else. Be it a club effort or an individuals
> effort to help arrange transport.
>
> Example:
> a) you have 35 operators with their own personal equipment brought along
> all transported by ONE vehicle be it RV, bus, semi.
> b) Each operator uses their personal call with said equipment to make
> contacts in each grid stopped in.
> c) Any of said operators can be the driver of vehicles.
> d) said operators logs can be applied to a club score for Club
> Competition scoring.
> e) equipment CANNOT be shared between stations if used by original
> station.
>
> That is what I am asking about.
>
> I hope that clarifies what I am referring to.
>
> All I am really wanting to do is save gas, money, and to maybe
> entice a few new operators that might not give it a try otherwise.
> I hear that people are starting to not be able to afford to rover,
> this may help. I can understand this now as I am currently out on
> workers comp and haven't seen a paycheck in three weeks or the
> first comp check.
>
> I know what is probably going to be said:
> a) this would encourage 'manafactured' contacts
> b) more grid circling
> c) if they can't afford to 'rover', they should stay home or find
> a club station/group to work with
>
> James W8ISS
> =====
> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 16:20 -0500, Marshall Williams wrote:
>> Hi James....I think the Unlimited Rover Class allows more operators
>> than two. There are other things allowed in that class too....You
>> would have to look carefully, but I think you can basically have a
>> Multi-Op single call rover out in the Unlimited Class with no
>> problem......73 Marshall K5QE
>>
>> James French wrote:
>> > On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 17:09 -0600, Nate Duehr wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > > I've always loved the idea of a "Rover Bus" with a bunch of friends.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Nate Duehr, WY0X
>> > > nate@natetech.com
>> > >
>> >
>> > That's what I am thinking, Nate. But per the rules, we are not allowed
>> > to do that. This I think would help bring out other operators plus get
>> > those operators that can 'borrow' a loaner station the chance to make
>> > a few contacts and have questions answered at the same time and be
>> > given
>> > advise on how things work, are planned and arranged, and to see how
>> > other stations do things.
>> >
>> > The Unlimited ROVER class ISN'T designed to take this into account
>> > currently.
>> >
>> > James W8ISS
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> >
>
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