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Re: [VHFcontesting] [VHF] Announcing the VHF Distance Scoring 2009 Repor

To: kevin kaufhold <kkaufhold@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] [VHF] Announcing the VHF Distance Scoring 2009 Report
From: w8zn@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:04:53 +0000 (UTC)
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Hi Kevin and the working group.

I applaud your group and wish you the very best luck. This is a step in the 
right direction to equalize the scoring and help put an end to some of the pack 
roving that helps no one else but the participants, once it is no longer 
profitable to just work at grid corners, it will probably go away.

I do have one comment about item 4B, a weighted score for upper bands. Why 
isn't it enough that another band yields another contact and distance mult? 
Some time ago when a microwave station was entirely built from surplus or home 
brew design, I would agree that it was worth more points. But with DEM and 
DB6NT offering off the shelf ready built systems, these bands don't really 
offer much more challenge than fighting QRM on 144.200. There is a small amount 
of extra work pointing a dish that doesn't exist with a 3 element 6m beam but 
if the signal is there, you work it and in some cases, I've found a 1w signal 
on 10 GHz is EASIER to work than a 100w signal on 6m. As evident in most of the 
ARRL contests, a station that maximizes their microwaves Q's will almost always 
dominate even if they don't have a decent lower 4 band score, this seems 
counter to increase activity. In HF, you don't get extra points for a 160m or 
10m contact, which are much harder than a 20m Q, VHF and above 
 should be the same.

Thanks again for your fine efforts,

Terry



The VHF Distance Scoring Working Group has been considering many distance 
scoring options over the last several months. This effort has been a 
grass-roots, independent activity outside of the usual contest sponsor 
committee structure. It was thought that ideas could be developed by the VHF 
community itself for further consideration of all potential sponsors. B The 
working group can be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VHFDistanceScoring/

B 

The full report of the working group is now available at: 

http://www.w9smc.com/SMC%20VHF/DistanceScoring2009Report.pdfB  Please feel free 
to look at the entire document and provide comments. 

B 

The working group believes that current VHF rules are adequate in many 
situations, but the uniformity and sameness of the current rules set may be 
generating complacency and boredom. There has also been a concern expressed 
over short-range contacts to strategically located nearby grids. Distance-based 
methods would emphasize operator skill and technical abilities by constantly 
reaching for longer contacts. 

B 

The central issue boils down to this: Why must there be such a high degree of 
uniformity of contest rules in almost every VHF contest? Why canbt there be at 
least one VHF contest that is expressly based on longer distances? Variety is 
the spice of life. 

B 

The VHF working group recommends the following items be considered. 
Constructive, well-reasoned comments would be greatly appreciated.



1.B  In the short-term, experimentation with distance rules should be done 
either in the VHF Sprints or a new event.B  

B 

2.B  If and when distance rules are perfected and prove to be a success in the 
Sprints or other event, then the concept could be attempted in one or more 
major event.B  

B 

B  B B B a. Simulations show that distance events may degenerate into 6 meter 
contests when significant Es is present, so June and CQ VHF may not be the best 
suited for distance concepts.

B 

B  B B B b.B January or September would likely be better for a distance event, 
with band activity being more dispersed. 

B 

B  B B B c.B Two simulations also showed that the August UHF is well suited for 
distance efforts. 

B 

3.B  Regarding the distance method to be used, there was overwhelming support 
among group members for a points per km system. 

B 

4.B  A gradual band weighting schedule should be given consideration in 
multi-band distance events. 

B 

5.B  Reasonable types of distance limits, such as a sliding scale, should be 
given further consideration, but no ban or severe limit should be imposed on 
very long contacts. 

B 

6.B  The majority of the working group believes that some type of re-contact 
rule should be given further consideration. 

B 

7.B  Wherever possible, distance rules should be kept simple. 

B 

8.B  On a near-term basis, 4 digit exchanges may be viable. Over the long-term 
however, 6 digits should eventually be adopted. B 

B 

9.B  Contest sponsors develop and announce a standard method by which distances 
will be calculated. 

B 

B 

These above recommendations are not designed to be the definite answer to all 
distance-based efforts. Indeed, we developed a baseline set of distance rules 
along with alternate proposals, just so that further discussion would occur. We 
also developed model distance calculation standards which also contain 
alternate language. It is simply hoped that a more discussion will be given to 
distance concepts in one or more VHF contests.B  B 

B 

Future efforts of the VHF Distance Working Group will likely focus on the 2010 
VHF Spring Sprints, as there have been suggestions that the Spring Sprints 
feature distance measures next year.B  Please feel free to drop by and join the 
distance working group at the above link. 

B 

B 

Kevin

W9GKA

Moderator

Distance Scoring Working Group

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