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Re: [VHFcontesting] Optimum 6 meter yagi height

To: "Steve Kavanagh" <sjkavanagh1@yahoo.ca>, <dave@egh.com>, <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Optimum 6 meter yagi height
From: "Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO" <w5wvo@cybermesa.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 12:07:37 -0600
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50-60 feet is a good average height to shoot for. (Wish I could get my 2x5el 
stack that high.) However, sporadic-E can want take-off angles all the way 
from flat (0 degrees) up to around 16 degrees for very short skip. The 
length of the skip depends on the intensity of the cloud's ionization (the 
Es MUF). When the Es MUF is very high and the skip very short, you're much 
better off with a lower antenna (as low as 20 feet), assuming your 
surrounding ground is relatively clear so you can make best possible use of 
the ground bounce gain.

Apart from a low take-off angle (not always what you want, but often) -- The 
other thing that greater antenna height affords you, and a lot of people 
overlook this fact, is that the higher the antenna, the further it is from 
man-made noise sources on the ground. A quieter band is a band where you can 
hear (and work) weaker signals! Noise is also discrimminated against in the 
azimuth plane, so a longer yagi with a narrower beamwidth not only has more 
gain on transmit, but picks up less noise (unless it's pointed right at the 
noise source). That is assuming the long yagi has been computer-modeled 
properly and has minimal side- and back-lobes.

Putting a 6-meter yagi REALLY HIGH (like, over 100 feet) will give you the 
maximum possible signal at the horizon for tropo and bleeding-edge Es and F2 
DX -- but it will also give you lots of ugly NULLS in the elevation pattern 
where your signal can drop by as much as 15-20 dB. So you might be pinning 
somebody's S-meter at 1,450 miles away, but the guy who is 900 miles away 
isn't going to hear you anywhere near that loud, all other things being 
equal. Then you need to go to a lower antenna to cover that nulled take-off 
angle.

As all the 6m Big Guns will tell you, the ideal solution for 6 meters is a 
stacked set of long-boom yagis at various heights from "real low" to "real 
high" that you can switch around either for single use or for use in phased 
combinations. Since most "normal people" can neither afford nor find space 
for an antenna system like that, it all comes down to compromises and 
trade-offs.

Bill W5WVO


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From: "Steve Kavanagh" <sjkavanagh1@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:34 AM
To: <dave@egh.com>; <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
Subject: [VHFcontesting] Optimum 6 meter yagi height

> Dave
>
> I did look briefly at this subject a few years ago....no measurements, 
> just some simplistic analysis along the lines of what W2PV did much 
> earlier for HF.  This work was published in the 2004 Central States VHF 
> Society Conference Proceedings.  I could send you an electronic copy of 
> that article if you are interested.
>
> For sporadic E, assuming flat land, it appeared that the best compromise 
> height was about 50-60 feet.  For tropo, on the other hand, the higher the 
> better.  There's a strong argument for having antennas at different 
> heights for different purposes.
>
> Urban development around the station, sloping ground, etc. will change 
> things, of course.
>
> Meanwhile, I do most of my contesting as a rover, with a dipole at 12 
> feet, which is definitely the wrong height !
>
> 73,
> Steve VE3SMA
>
>
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