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Re: [VHFcontesting] FT8?- tarnation!

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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] FT8?- tarnation!
From: Patrick Thomas <p-thomas@mindspring.com>
Reply-to: Patrick Thomas <p-thomas@mindspring.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 09:48:00 -0500 (EST)
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The problem is that nobody is taking the few seconds to reach for a mic/key 
once in a while during a 33-hour contest, right?  I do not see how a legacy 
category will solve this - it will make it easier for people who don't want to 
use digital to win a smaller competition but not solve the real problem, I 

A very high score bonus for SSB/CW would _actively motivate_ people to use 
these modes - even the "mixed category" people.  If you could get 1 point on 2m 
with an FT8 QSO that takes a minute to complete or say 10 points with a CW/SSB 
contact that takes 15 seconds to complete (assuming a couple re-tries), it's a 
no-brainer.  If you REALLY NEED digital, you can still use it, but you pay for 
the "simplicity" with a lower score.

For the record, I'm under the age of 50, I have a major in computer science, 
was an early adopter of cell phones and instant messengers, and I still 
regularly use and advocate SSB/CW. :-P

By the way, the bigger problem I see is with attrition and lack of newcomers.  
If we don't solve that then before long we'll need 1500 watts just to reach the 
next nearest participant in most of the country, irrespective of mode.


Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 15:26:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Ed Kucharski <k3dne@comcast.net>
To: Jay RM <w9rm@calmesapartners.com>,  "vhfcontesting@contesting.com"
        <VHFcontesting@contesting.com>, "alex@kr1st.com" <alex@kr1st.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] FT8?- tarnation!

I agree with both Jay and Alex. Too bad we can't go back in time. I'm afraid 
the digital genie is out of the bottle and we won't get it back in again. Does 
anyone really think ARRL or CQ will ban digital from their vhf contests? I 
don't. I do agree a vhf+ digital only contest (or two) would be nice but IMHO 
it won't solve the decreasing ssb/cw activity problem we are presently seeing 
in vhf contesting.

Jay brings up the ARRL 10m contest as an example of a successful split mode 
contest (SSB Only, CW Only and Mixed Mode categories). I believe we can apply 
the same model to the big 3 vhf contests (4 if you count the CQ VHF contest).

"Legacy" (phone/cw Only), "Digital Only" and "Mixed Mode" (phone/cw AND 
digital) categories.
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