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Re: [Amps] More information for "What NOT to buy"..

To: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv@subich.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] More information for "What NOT to buy"..
From: Chris Howard <chris@yipyap.com>
Reply-to: chris@yipyap.com
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:11:00 -0600
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Is the 4-400A a good choice for something cheap to start with?
There seems to be a steady stream of cheap used ones on that internet
place.



Chris
w0ep


On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 22:01 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> Clint, 
> 
> You have gotten good advice ... but a couple more thoughts 
> 
> Almost any amplifier is a good starting amp but be prepared to make 
> some changes and learn from the experience.  
> 
> 1) The MLA-2500 is to be avoided - as others have said - because of 
>    the fragile and out of production 8875.  Yes, it can be converted 
>    to other tubes but the small chassis is a significant handicap to 
>    a clean conversion. 
> 
> 2) home built amplifiers using ex-USSR tubes are probably not a good 
>    vehicle for learning.  Replacing the ex-USSR tubes can be a problem 
>    as many are not being made and surplus sources are not reliable. 
> 
> 3) External anode tubes (8874/3CX400, 3CX800, 8877/3CX1500) are 
>    expensive and have fragile grids.  The 3CX800 and 3CX1500 are 
>    great tubes in the hands of an experienced designer but are 
>    probably not a good place for the beginner to start. 
> 
> Recommendations: 
> 
> A solidly built single 3-500Z or pair of 3-500Z amplifier ... 
> SB-1000, AL-80, SB-220, L4B, L7, AL-82, etc.  You can learn 
> much but be prepared to eliminate the "floating grids", add 
> the proper glitch resistor, improve the cooling of any external 
> power supply, fix the bias and metering circuits, and convert 
> the T/R switching to low voltage and (possibly vacuum relays).  
> Converting any of the 3-500Z amplifiers to one of GM3SEK's 
> "triode board" controllers would be worthwhile from both a 
> reliability and learning prospect. 
> 
> A clean amplifier with FOUR 572Bs is not to be avoided.  With 
> the proper voltage 4 x 572B will produce nearly the legal 
> limit and the tube cost will not break the bank.  Again, be 
> prepared to fix many of the "floating grid," bias and T/R 
> switching issues.  I would avoid the two tube 572B amps if 
> only because they are generally too small, undercooled have 
> poor layout are difficult to service and cost as much or more 
> than a single 3-500Z amplifier. 
> 
> 73, 
> 
>    ... Joe, W4TV 
>  
> 
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